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    Salaries don't match. That's a problem isnt it? Or is there some rule that allows them to not take back the same amount of $$?
    They could take more if they have cap room, although they probably want to preserve it. As long as what they send is either a legit asset, or an ending contract, I'm down with it.

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    You don’t win the race by staying crouched in the starting blocks, and Kawhi gives you a better shot than 12 and 13.
    You don't "win the race" at all as long as the Warriors exist. Especially when their made players collude to take pay cuts and stay together because they're afraid of compe ion.

    At this point, it's futile to go all-in on a "win now" move because you'll just end up being one of the other teams on the Warriors' championship highlight reel.

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    You don't "win the race" at all as long as the Warriors exist. Especially when their made players collude to take pay cuts and stay together because they're afraid of compe ion.

    At this point, it's futile to go all-in on a "win now" move because you'll just end up being one of the other teams on the Warriors' championship highlight reel.
    Nest year's Warriors payroll will be $400M, including the tax. The 'discount' that is being talked about for Klay is $80 ing million dollars over the life of the contract if he extends instead of playing out next year and getting his MAX. His dad, as a former player who understands the lifespan of a career, will likely talk him out of that. This thing WILL fall apart, and it will happen quickly, likely within a year or two. It's unsustainable under the tax penalty rules, even with some slight discounting by the players. The tax penalty will pretty much wipe those out, and then some. The contract that will kill them is Iggy. He's making $14M to produce a PER of 11. He has two years after this one.

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    So tired of talking heads speculating based on absolutely nothing.
    ....and ST for that matter.

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    Nest year's Warriors payroll will be $400M, including the tax. The 'discount' that is being talked about for Klay is $80 ing million dollars over the life of the contract if he extends instead of playing out next year and getting his MAX. His dad, as a former player who understands the lifespan of a career, will likely talk him out of that. This thing WILL fall apart, and it will happen quickly, likely within a year or two. It's unsustainable under the tax penalty rules, even with some slight discounting by the players. The tax penalty will pretty much wipe those out, and then some. The contract that will kill them is Iggy. He's making $14M to produce a PER of 11. He has two years after this one.
    The Warriors are a team full of anti-compe ive cowards. They'll find a way to stay together for the long haul. They all fear compe ion too much to go their separate ways.

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    The Warriors are a team full of anti-compe ive cowards. They'll find a way to stay together for the long haul. They all fear compe ion too much to go their separate ways.
    KD is the one that really applies too, Curry, Donkey, & Klay not so much or at all tbh.

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    The Warriors are a team full of anti-compe ive cowards. They'll find a way to stay together for the long haul. They all fear compe ion too much to go their separate ways.
    Nah. At some point, they will have enough rings, and they'll want to cash out. It's not like the Mickey Mouse Club can challenge Jordan. He didn't form a club, he just had his sidekick, his Robin in Pippen. They can't touch that legacy, even if they get 6 rings.

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    KD is the one that really applies too, Curry, Donkey, & Klay not so much or at all tbh.
    Curry, Donkey and Klay were the ones who spent their entire 73-win season begging Durbeta to join.

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    Nah. At some point, they will have enough rings, and they'll want to cash out. It's not like the Mickey Mouse Club can challenge Jordan. He didn't form a club, he just had his sidekick, his Robin in Pippen. They can't touch that legacy, even if they get 6 rings.
    Which is wrong. Because Horace Grant was pretty much an all star in his days with the Bulls and then Jordan played with Rodman and Kukoc. Two more all stars. Still 6 out of 6 is untouchable even for the warriors.

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    Curry, Donkey and Klay were the ones who spent their entire 73-win season begging Durbeta to join.
    Just like everybody else, he's who joined them. That dude levit quit in game 7 vs the Warriors.

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    Just like everybody else, he's who joined them. That dude levit quit in game 7 vs the Warriors.
    Yeah...up 3-1 over GSW. Just win one game out of 3. Can't do it and then quit and go to the team that beat you.

    That's weak as . It's even weak as .

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    Which is wrong. Because Horace Grant was pretty much an all star in his days with the Bulls and then Jordan played with Rodman and Kukoc. Two more all stars. Still 6 out of 6 is untouchable even for the warriors.
    I'm not saying there was no talent on those Bulls teams, besides MJ and Pip. I'm saying that the equivalent would have been MJ feeling that he needed to recruit both Barkley and Malone so that they had 4 All NBA players.

    Grant played in one ASG. Kukoc never did. Even so, after you vote the starters, select reserves, and then select injury replacements, you're likely bumping up close to 30 players. All-NBA is 15 guys, a much higher bar, IMHO.

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    Salaries don't match. That's a problem isnt it? Or is there some rule that allows them to not take back the same amount of $$?
    If a team has enough space under the cap to absorb the difference, you don’t have to match.

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    No offense to the many people that share the “no one can beat the Warriors, so don’t worry about it now” crowd, but that is really dumb IMO. I mean, I can see why someone would think that.

    If you have a chance to build a team that can get to the WCF you do it. Injuries happen, trades happen, many things happen.

    You don’t pass up on deep playoff runs because you MIGHT be able to starve out GS for 4 years. Whose to say you will be good when they decline? There is no guarantee and that is even more risk than getting a Kawhi. You could always blow it up later if you want, but once you suck and stay there, it’s hard to get back to the top.

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    Fultz + a top 10 pick.
    For danny green. Fultz is terrible

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    Nest year's Warriors payroll will be $400M, including the tax. The 'discount' that is being talked about for Klay is $80 ing million dollars over the life of the contract if he extends instead of playing out next year and getting his MAX. His dad, as a former player who understands the lifespan of a career, will likely talk him out of that. This thing WILL fall apart, and it will happen quickly, likely within a year or two. It's unsustainable under the tax penalty rules, even with some slight discounting by the players. The tax penalty will pretty much wipe those out, and then some. The contract that will kill them is Iggy. He's making $14M to produce a PER of 11. He has two years after this one.
    Warriors are fine.

    They are located in Silicone Valley and have ties to great options in regards to investing. Klay will be paid handsomely on the back end through strategic investments they'll spoon feed to him.

    Kevin Durant has had investments with Acorn, Postmates, The Players Tribune, and other tech companies since he joined the Warriors. That's where he's making up long term money. It was part of the Warriors pitch to KD. And I'm sure Lacob is doing the same with his money to pay for his team.

    Warriors will keep.paying & their players are cool with taking pay cuts for obvious reasons.

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    Warriors are fine.

    They are located in Silicone Valley and have ties to great options in regards to investing. Klay will be paid handsomely on the back end through strategic investments they'll spoon feed to him.

    Kevin Durant has had investments with Acorn, Postmates, The Players Tribune, and other tech companies since he joined the Warriors. That's where he's making up long term money. It was part of the Warriors pitch to KD. And I'm sure Lacob is doing the same with his money to pay for his team.

    Warriors will keep.paying & their players are cool with taking pay cuts for obvious reasons.
    Kevin took a haircut of a couple million. Klay would lose $80M on an extension.

    Any way, I’ll not convince you, nor the other way around. We’ll just have to wait and see. I don’t see the four stars model surviving past the summer of 2019.

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    Deals with Sacramento seem okay. I’d dump Leonard for the 2nd overall pick, Bogdanovic, Cauley-Stein, and two future first rounders. Sends Leonard back to California but not where he wants, gives the Spurs young assets to work with.

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    Deals with Sacramento seem okay. I’d dump Leonard for the 2nd overall pick, Bogdanovic, Cauley-Stein, and two future first rounders. Sends Leonard back to California but not where he wants, gives the Spurs young assets to work with.
    The problem is that Sacto has already traded next year's pick. It belongs to Boston now. That means they cannot trade their 2020 pick, since that would be back to back first rounders traded out, and that's not allowed. If you want the picks in any prospective deal, they would have to be 2021 and 2023. That's a long way out. , they could fire Divac and actually right their ship by then.

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    Yeah...up 3-1 over GSW. Just win one game out of 3. Can't do it and then quit and go to the team that beat you.

    That's weak as . It's even weak as .
    Yes but he was the missing piece to this Warriors team and he knew it. They won in 2015 with just Curry, Green, Thompson and lost to Cavs in 2016 with no KD.

    Durant saw how good they were without him and knew they would be almost unstoppable with him.

    It's weak but can't blame him for seeing he was the missing piece of the puzzle, even though it hurts the NBA a ton if you have one elite team and every other team playing catch up.

    That Warriors-OKC series was so frustrating to watch because all the Thunder needed was one more win and it never happened.

    Yes Durant is weak as for joining the Warriors, but it does make sense even if it sucks for the leagues teams.

    Warriors are a bunch of d-bags, not a hater but they are just not a likeable team at all.
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    The Warriors are a team full of anti-compe ive cowards. They'll find a way to stay together for the long haul. They all fear compe ion too much to go their separate ways.
    I would be curious to see what Klay Thompson could do on a team as the go to guy.

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    The problem is that Sacto has already traded next year's pick. It belongs to Boston now. That means they cannot trade their 2020 pick, since that would be back to back first rounders traded out, and that's not allowed. If you want the picks in any prospective deal, they would have to be 2021 and 2023. That's a long way out. , they could fire Divac and actually right their ship by then.
    You can do pick swaps. That's how the Celtics raped the Nets.

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    Looking at this year's salaries, KL and Klay are about $1M apart...

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    Looking at this year's salaries, KL and Klay are about $1M apart...
    Pop would never dump that POS on Kerr.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxTV6idnGv8

    1:02:50 . . .

    Simmons: Is there any chance Kawhi is on the Spurs next year?

    Lowe: For sure. I would say, I would say, I don't know, something sub 50%, but not close to 0.

    Simmons: I say, I say, 10. Say 10% chance.

    Lowe: I would go 25-30.

    Simmons: 10% chance. I don't see it.

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