Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[TSA]

Sorry, it hasn't changed since day 1.

Yours has changed so much, you can't even explain it. You've clammed up and are bitter about it

What has been your conspiracy theory since day 1?

[Pavlov]

What has been your conspiracy theory since day 1?

Trump is too stupid to play an active part in a collusion scheme with the Russians RE: the election, but members of his campaign certainly could -- since one of their attempts to do just that is a matter of record. Their motivations are simple -- power and money. If he has any, Trump's legal exposure would be mainly financial (i.e. money laundering), blackmail related to the financial issues and obstruction-- crimes of stupidity, mainly.

You should bookmark that since you keep asking me the same question and I keep answering it the same.

[boutons_deux]

"Trump's legal exposure would be mainly financial"

I think Trash knew about, even encouraged his mafiya, to obtain any and all help from Pootin, but of course, he didn't report Pootin's meddling to the FBI, while, among other stuff, dictating that stupid coverup letter for Junior about the June 9 mtg with Russians.

Trash's inclination towards Russia, as Junior said years ago, was based on Russian oligarchs' $100Ms pouring into Trash's orgs, esp buying real estate to launder money.

[TSA]

Trump is too stupid to play an active part in a collusion scheme with the Russians RE: the election, but members of his campaign certainly could -- since one of their attempts to do just that is a matter of record.

which attempt are you referring to?

[Pavlov]

We're going to find out whom Uday called the day of the meeting someday. If it's daddeh, he'll deserve everything that has happened up to now and more.

[Pavlov]

which attempt are you referring to?

Adoptions, of course.

Your claim is it's a set up, but you can't explain how it works. Stay clammed up about it.

[RandomGuy]

Trump is too stupid to play an active part in a collusion scheme with the Russians RE: the election, but members of his campaign certainly could -- since one of their attempts to do just that is a matter of record. Their motivations are simple -- power and money. If he has any, Trump's legal exposure would be mainly financial (i.e. money laundering), blackmail related to the financial issues and obstruction-- crimes of stupidity, mainly.

You should bookmark that since you keep asking me the same question and I keep answering it the same.

+1

I would add "lazy" to "stupid". I am pretty sure he knew about the efforts going on, as the "Russia if you are listening" bit appears to imply.

That will be the bombs . Some email or call record that shows that he almost certainly knew of some of the efforts that will strip away any plausible deniability.

TSA's low lying swamp will seem awfully lonely as the line of muskets at the top of the hill start firing.

[DarrinS]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...t-buries-lede/

[RandomGuy]

We're going to find out whom Uday called the day of the meeting someday. If it's daddeh, he'll deserve everything that has happened up to now and more.

That's it.

Who was the 4 minute phone call to?

Hard to think that his suck-up not-too-bright kids wouldn't want rich daddy to know how hard they were working for him, in order to curry favor.

Bannon was right about that one thing at least.

[RandomGuy]

[deflection/distraction attempt #28355]

Meh.

[Pavlov]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...t-buries-lede/

Look everyone, another non-take from Darrin.

Darrin, you never told everyone what your conspiracy theory is.

What is your conspiracy theory, Darrin?

[Pavlov]

That's it.

Who was the 4 minute phone call to?

Hard to think that his suck-up not-too-bright kids wouldn't want rich daddy to know how hard they were working for him, in order to curry favor.

Bannon was right about that one thing at least.

Dude was upstairs.

[TSA]

Adoptions, of course.

Your claim is it's a set up, but you can't explain how it works. Stay clammed up about it.

Was Natalia Veselnitskaya at the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Was Natalia Veselnitskaya working with Fusion GPS at the time of the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson have dinner with Natalia Veselnitskaya the night before the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson have dinner with Natalia Veselnitskaya the night after the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no

[Pavlov]

Was Natalia Veselnitskaya at the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Was Natalia Veselnitskaya working with Fusion GPS at the time of the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson have dinner with Natalia Veselnitskaya the night before the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson have dinner with Natalia Veselnitskaya the night after the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no

Here we go again with the innuendo.

How does your conspiracy theory work, TSA?

I accept any matters of fact as proved. Explain your theory or clam up.

[Pavlov]

See the adoption meeting was real and it did happen and there was a record of it with many witnesses.

And the Clinton campaign that you accuse of setting up the meeting did not use it before the election.

You need to explain how they did it and why they went through all that trouble to not use it.

Or clam up.

[TSA]

Here we go again with the innuendo.

How does your conspiracy theory work, TSA?

I accept any matters of fact as proved. Explain your theory or clam up.

They are yes or no questions, and they clam you up every time.

Try again.

Was Natalia Veselnitskaya at the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Was Natalia Veselnitskaya working with Fusion GPS at the time of the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson have dinner with Natalia Veselnitskaya the night before the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson have dinner with Natalia Veselnitskaya the night after the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no

[Pavlov]

They are yes or no questions, and they clam you up every time.

Try again.

Was Natalia Veselnitskaya at the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Was Natalia Veselnitskaya working with Fusion GPS at the time of the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson have dinner with Natalia Veselnitskaya the night before the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no
Did Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson have dinner with Natalia Veselnitskaya the night after the "adoptions" meeting? yes or no

Let's say yes to everything.

How does your conspiracy theory work, TSA?

I accept any matters of fact as proved. Explain your theory or clam up.

[TSA]

Meh.

meh

But opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia is not the same thing as opening up a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign.

The media-Democrat complex has tried from the start to conflate these two things. That explains the desperation to convince the public that Putin wanted Trump to win. It explains the stress on contacts, no matter how slight, between Trump campaign figures and Russians. They are trying to fill a gaping void they hope you don’t notice: Even if Putin did want Trump to win, and even if Trump-campaign advisers did have contacts with Kremlin-tied figures, there is no evidence of participation by the Trump campaign in Russia’s espionage.

That is the proof that would have been needed to justify investigating Americans. Under federal law, to establish that an American is acting as an agent of a foreign power, the government must show that the American is purposefully engaging in clandestine activities on behalf of a foreign power, and that it is probable that these activities violate federal criminal law. (See FISA, le 50, U.S. Code, Section 1801(b)(2), further explained in the last six paragraphs of my Dec. 17 column.)

But of course, if the FBI had had that kind of evidence, they would not have had to open a counterintelligence investigation. They would not have had to use the Clinton campaign’s opposition research — the Steele dossier — to get FISA-court warrants. They would instead have opened a criminal investigation, just as they did on Clinton when there was evidence that she committed felonies.

To the contrary, the bureau opened a counterintelligence investigation in the absence of any (a) incriminating evidence, or (b) evidence implicating the Trump campaign in Russian espionage. At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign. They used foreign-intelligence surveillance and informants.

[baseline bum]

And Flynn still isn't in major trouble.

Felonies good now?

[DarrinS]

See the adoption meeting was real and it did happen and there was a record of it with many witnesses.

And the Clinton campaign that you accuse of setting up the meeting did not use it before the election.

You need to explain how they did it and why they went through all that trouble to not use it.

Or clam up.

And Uday tried and failed to get Hillary dirt.

Meanwhile, team Hillary (ding) paid Russians for dirt on Drumpf that was then used as the basis for spying on team Drumpf.

[Pavlov]

meh

But opening up a counterintelligence investigation against Russia is not the same thing as opening up a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign.

The media-Democrat complex has tried from the start to conflate these two things. That explains the desperation to convince the public that Putin wanted Trump to win. It explains the stress on contacts, no matter how slight, between Trump campaign figures and Russians. They are trying to fill a gaping void they hope you don’t notice: Even if Putin did want Trump to win, and even if Trump-campaign advisers did have contacts with Kremlin-tied figures, there is no evidence of participation by the Trump campaign in Russia’s espionage.

That is the proof that would have been needed to justify investigating Americans. Under federal law, to establish that an American is acting as an agent of a foreign power, the government must show that the American is purposefully engaging in clandestine activities on behalf of a foreign power, and that it is probable that these activities violate federal criminal law. (See FISA, le 50, U.S. Code, Section 1801(b)(2), further explained in the last six paragraphs of my Dec. 17 column.)

But of course, if the FBI had had that kind of evidence, they would not have had to open a counterintelligence investigation. They would not have had to use the Clinton campaign’s opposition research — the Steele dossier — to get FISA-court warrants. They would instead have opened a criminal investigation, just as they did on Clinton when there was evidence that she committed felonies.

To the contrary, the bureau opened a counterintelligence investigation in the absence of any (a) incriminating evidence, or (b) evidence implicating the Trump campaign in Russian espionage. At the height of the 2016 presidential race, the FBI collaborated with the CIA to probe an American political campaign. They used foreign-intelligence surveillance and informants.

this article conflates criminal and counterintel investigations.

[Pavlov]

And Uday tried and failed to get Hillary dirt.

Meanwhile, team Hillary (ding) paid Russians for dirt on Drumpf that was then used as the basis for spying on team Drumpf.

What is your conspiracy theory, Darrin?

[TSA]

Let's say yes to everything.

How does your conspiracy theory work, TSA?

I accept any matters of fact as proved. Explain your theory or clam up.

Fusion GPS set up a meeting for Don Jr with a known Russian informant.

[Pavlov]

Fusion GPS set up a meeting for Don Jr with a known Russian informant.

For whom Fusion GPS was working.

And?

Keep going.

This is your theory.

[Pavlov]

Also how did Fusion GPS set this up through Goldstone?