Lowe: Celtics starting point for Leonard likely Tatum and Kings 1st

[spurraider21]

yeah... i'm just saying the C's have a TON of room for internal improvement before having to rethink their current roster strategy

[DPG21920]

yeah... i'm just saying the C's have a TON of room for internal improvement before having to rethink their current roster strategy

Sure, but losing to basically a Superstar and bunch of other crap pretty much blows that “we don’t need a Superstar” argument out of the window.

Lebron isn’t going anywhere. Curry/KD aren’t going anywhere and just like people that said they wouldn’t trade Lowry and DeRozan for Lebron, they probably changed their tune after Lebron killed them. Just like this might happen if you realize that basically just Lebron beat your really good team and you now have to make certain that your studs develop to that level if you are passing on a Kawhi that can put you there.

But yes, C’s don’t HAVE to do anything. They can be really good for a long time even if the guys don’t develop into legit superstars. But Kyrie is due a ton of money and so are several other players. If you pass up on a Superstar the heat is on now.

[DPG21920]

I may just be doing a poor job of articulating my point:

People are high on BOS studs because of what they have done so far and assuming the level they are at now + any growth means legit superstars.

But losing to a very average Lebron Cavs casts some doubt on the level they are at and their ceiling IMO. Like, if they lose to this Cavs team then they have to grow significantly in order to just beat this medicore CLE team, let alone grow enough to ever even topple a GS. CLE is the barometer and it’s not really that high of a bar. Not beating them doesn’t mean they suck or something it just means that internal growth has to be major if they have aspirations of a le and if that is the case be careful on passing up on legit superstars.

[daslicer]

I may just be doing a poor job of articulating my point:

People are high on BOS studs because of what they have done so far and assuming the level they are at now + any growth means legit superstars.

But losing to a very average Lebron Cavs casts some doubt on the level they are at and their ceiling IMO. Like, if they lose to this Cavs team then they have to grow significantly in order to just beat this medicore CLE team, let alone grow enough to ever even topple a GS. CLE is the barometer and it’s not really that high of a bar. Not beating them doesn’t mean they suck or something it just means that internal growth has to be major if they have aspirations of a le and if that is the case be careful on passing up on legit superstars.

Also have to factor in this will probably be the last year in a while that Lebron has a mediocre supporting cast. It's pretty much set in a stone he will create another super team. If Boston can't beat Lebron when he has average to below average supporting caste then they will feel the pressure in trying to beat him once he has another super team. They could possibly beat him in the future if Tatum and Brown take their games to the next level but that's not guaranteed to happen. Also I don't believe Irving and Hayward will be enough to topple Lebron when he forms his next Super team. Hayward to me is soft and in the same category of being a star as Derozan and Lowry.

[DPG21920]

BOS is in a great spot and their young guys + Hayward/Kyrie (even if that cost them some elite role players financially) will still be damn good. I’m just saying it’s hard to look a true superstar (Kawhi/Bron/AD) in the eye and say no because you have a young team that looks really good. Especially of they lose to this Cavs team.

Will it knock off all the shine? Of course not. But it will show where they are truly at now vs where they need to be to win the East, let alone the entire league.

[cd021]

But, but, but Boston is a progressive city... LOL

Boston's is notoriously racist, even if the state ,at large, is blue.

Massachusetts is a progressive state, but Boston is as racist as the Deep South. They used to throw rocks at the buses taking black kids into Southie back in the 70s when busing was a thing.

Pretty much tbh

[SpursDynasty85]

I may just be doing a poor job of articulating my point:

People are high on BOS studs because of what they have done so far and assuming the level they are at now + any growth means legit superstars.

But losing to a very average Lebron Cavs casts some doubt on the level they are at and their ceiling IMO. Like, if they lose to this Cavs team then they have to grow significantly in order to just beat this medicore CLE team, let alone grow enough to ever even topple a GS. CLE is the barometer and it’s not really that high of a bar. Not beating them doesn’t mean they suck or something it just means that internal growth has to be major if they have aspirations of a le and if that is the case be careful on passing up on legit superstars.

Lebron should be embarrased already. His team is by far and away the most talented team in the East. Had Hayward and Irving been back they might have an argument especially seeing how good Tatum and Brown are but the Cavaliers are littered with potential all-star talent. (Love, Thompson, Rodney Hood, and to an extent George Hill all have all start potential in the right situation) Up and comers like Jordan Crawford, Larry Nance, Kyle Korver, and Jeff Green are solid role players. Lebron is just stat padding and playing hero ball at this point. He has given up all hope attempting to play to "win" and only cares about his legacy it seems. He is old now. Maybe its time for us to say he is not really a top 3 player anymore if he can't even beat a Celtics team that is littered with young guys and rookies.

[Leetonidas]

The are you talking about? Lebrons team sucks. Love is soft and inconsistent. Same for Hill. Smith is garbage. Korver is 37 and his defense is trash. Clarkson is an overrated black hole. Nance is nothing more than an energy big. Green has always been trash. And Hood is an emotional inconsistent diva. That team sucks balls outside of James

[spurraider21]

rodney hood, tristan thompson, and george hill potential all stars

who else? larry nance?

also lol "jordan crawford"

when you cant even remember their names, you know they're scrubs

[Leetonidas]

Also @ Jordan Crawford

[cd98]

LOL at people thinking Tatum for Kawhi straight up. Imagine if Kawhi was guarding him right now.

[daslicer]

LOL at people thinking Tatum for Kawhi straight up. Imagine if Kawhi was guarding him right now.

Agreed. Boston was getting arrogant when it comes to the value of Tatum and Brown. It would take at least Tatum and Brown for them to get Kawhi. Both are not playing well right now.

[tholdren]

The are you talking about? Lebrons team sucks. Love is soft and inconsistent. Same for Hill. Smith is garbage. Korver is 37 and his defense is trash. Clarkson is an overrated black hole. Nance is nothing more than an energy big. Green has always been trash. And Hood is an emotional inconsistent diva. That team sucks balls outside of James

And james picked the team. Per usual. Great athlete terrible bbiq

[DPG21920]

Tried to tell people. I love Tatum & Brown but Kawhi is a top 5 player. There is a gulf between them and who knows if they get to that level.

[baseline bum]

rodney hood, tristan thompson, and george hill potential all stars

who else? larry nance?

also lol "jordan crawford"

when you cant even remember their names, you know they're scrubs

Don't forget their hall of fame coach.

[Play Boban]

Don't forget their hall of fame coach.

You talking about Coach LeBron?

[Slippy]

The only trade that makes sense for the celtics considering how deep their team is & how well they going in the playoffs is Kyrie for Kawhi. Ball dominant guard would ruin that chemistry and development they showing right now

[99 Problems]

C need a Kawhi to put them over the top but my guess is that Ainge didn’t need game 3&4 to know that. It’s going to be fun when the leaks about offers come filtering through.

[Killakobe81]

Tried to tell people. I love Tatum & Brown but Kawhi is a top 5 player. There is a gulf between them and who knows if they get to that level.

Sure there is. But How would have KL performed his rookie year in the ECF/WCF?
For his rookie season KL averaged 8 pts and 5 rebs. Tatum has easily bested those numbers his rookie year both playoff and regular season.
I dont disagree that there is no garuntee Tatum or Brown reach KL's level, but they are also cheaper and Tatum is almost 3 years younger than KL was as a rook.
I just see tremendous upside with the kid who despite missing a dunk continual attacked the rim last night despite his struggles.
I think if you could get Tatum/the sac pick and maybe the philly pick (i think they got one in the trade down for tatum) that is a great, great haul ...and if you get a servicable player to make the contracts match (gamble on hayward?) even better.

[Killakobe81]

Btw I hate Boston and hope yall fleece the out of them tbh...
But I think yall will make price to high and ainge doesnt bite and you will pay supermax to a diminishing KL who tatum will be the more valuable commodity in two-three years.

[exstatic]

Sure there is. But How would have KL performed his rookie year in the ECF/WCF?
For his rookie season KL averaged 8 pts and 5 rebs. Tatum has easily bested those numbers his rookie year both playoff and regular season.
I dont disagree that there is no garuntee Tatum or Brown reach KL's level, but they are also cheaper and Tatum is almost 3 years younger than KL was as a rook.
I just see tremendous upside with the kid who despite missing a dunk continual attacked the rim last night despite his struggles.
I think if you could get Tatum/the sac pick and maybe the philly pick (i think they got one in the trade down for tatum) that is a great, great haul ...and if you get a servicable player to make the contracts match (gamble on hayward?) even better.

??? Kawhi was 19, at least when he was drafted in June 2011. Tatum was 16 this year?

[cd98]

Sure there is. But How would have KL performed his rookie year in the ECF/WCF?
For his rookie season KL averaged 8 pts and 5 rebs. Tatum has easily bested those numbers his rookie year both playoff and regular season.
I dont disagree that there is no garuntee Tatum or Brown reach KL's level, but they are also cheaper and Tatum is almost 3 years younger than KL was as a rook.
I just see tremendous upside with the kid who despite missing a dunk continual attacked the rim last night despite his struggles.
I think if you could get Tatum/the sac pick and maybe the philly pick (i think they got one in the trade down for tatum) that is a great, great haul ...and if you get a servicable player to make the contracts match (gamble on hayward?) even better.

But how many points would KL have scored his rookie year if Manu and Tim and Tony got injured and his number of available shots increased? Too many what ifs. That said, if we are talking about the players at this point and time, we don't know if Kawhi is healthy, so it's hard to say what a trade involving the two players should look like. But for my money, if Kawhi is healthy, as he sits today, he is way better than Tatum by comparison.

[pad300]

And james picked the team. Per usual. Great athlete terrible bbiq

No, on the floor, he has great BBIQ, he just a terrible GM. Like Jordan, like Magic... I think it's a a thing for GOAT players - they don't understand how the things that come so easy for them are so difficult for lesser players...

[duncan2k5]

??? Kawhi was 19, at least when he was drafted in June 2011. Tatum was 16 this year?

LMFAO

[Killakobe81]

??? Kawhi was 19, at least when he was drafted in June 2011. Tatum was 16 this year?

It's only about 1.5 years ... I meant to round that to two.
Either way I hope yall fleece teh out of Boston and when the dust settles yall have won the trade.