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    65 students in a tight space. Hogg has plausible deniability against any student who would claim he wasn't seen. This is a non-starter. It's he said / she said stuff.
    I don't do narratives, 'connect the dots'. It's your claim, let's see the sourced evidence you're basing that on.

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    65 students in a tight space. Hogg has plausible deniability against any student who would claim he wasn't there. This is a non-starter. It's he said / she said stuff.
    ElNono Although the (fake-after) video I saw showed a ton of space in the background. Just another lie exposed it would seem.

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    When I hear shots I think about guns, not drills


    Now seriously, he should make a 7 minute calves video showing us how to be in shape riding that .
    thinks he meant drill as an the tool.

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    Cos people don't "lie" / "vouch" for people in the real world. After all, we live in the holy of holies in ElNonoland where people are above that.
    More 'connect the dots'. And I'm obstinate.

    Still waiting to see your 'detective work', and proof AP fabricates stories.

    You got it all sorted out, show it to the world.

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    I don't do narratives, 'connect the dots'. It's your claim, let's see the sourced evidence you're basing that on.
    "The claim" is that he was there for the shooting. It seems to make you mad that "the claim" seems to be spurious.

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    ElNono Although the (fake-after) video I saw showed a ton of space in the background. Just another lie exposed it would seem.
    You can cling to any videos, but so far, as far as sourcing facts, the scoreboard is:

    Snopes: 1
    Spurtacular: 0

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    "The claim" is that he was there for the shooting. It seems to make you mad that "the claim" seems to be spurious.
    We have first hand evidence a witness stated he was there during the shooting. Your claim is that the witness lied. Let's see the evidence.

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    thinks he meant drill as an the tool.
    Unpassable tranny saying " "

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    65 students in a tight space. Hogg has plausible deniability against any student who would claim he wasn't there. This is a non-starter. It's he said / she said stuff.
    It's he was actually there so no one else who was there would say he wasn't there.

    I agree it's a non-starter because you haven't even started to give your primary source evidence that he was at home during the shooting.

    Still waiting....

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    You can cling to any videos, but so far, as far as sourcing facts, the scoreboard is:

    Snopes: 1
    Spurtacular: 0
    Why would I overly rely on the system to give the truth about a phony system? That makes no sense. That's the umbrella argument, anyways. I'm talking about looking at the holes and contradictions in Hogg's own story. That's what you seem to want to get away from.

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    "The claim" is that he was there for the shooting. It seems to make you mad that "the claim" seems to be spurious.
    That claim is supported by the primary source you demanded and another you didn't even know existed.

    You claim is he was at home during the shooting. Where is your primary source evidence supporting this?

    Still waiting....

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    Why would I overly rely on the system to give the truth about a phony system? That makes no sense. That's the umbrella argument, anyways. I'm talking about looking at the holes and contradictions in Hogg's own story. That's what you seem to want to get away from.
    There is no hole or contradiction in his story.

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    People ask for common sense, and once you have a first hand account that the kid was there, nobody that was there contradicting that account, we suddenly have to think "something's fishy", "connect the dots"...

    Because of some video that's been admitted to be taken out of context...

    I'm done here. Until further news, kid was at school during the shootout. I'll review once I get evidence to the contrary.

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    We have first hand evidence a witness stated he was there during the shooting. Your claim is that the witness lied. Let's see the evidence.
    Seriously, bro? This is what you want to hinge your argument on? Are you unfamiliar with the phenomenon of witness claiming stuff that never happened? Are you unfamiliar with how common this is? I don't know what the name is for it, but here's the first few google links that pop up.

    http://nobaproject.com/modules/eyewi...-memory-biases
    http://science.time.com/2013/11/19/r...fflict-us-all/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337233/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4183265/
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...d_implications

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    Seriously, bro? This is what you want to hinge your argument on? Are you unfamiliar with the phenomenon of witness claiming stuff that never happened? Are you unfamiliar with how common this is? I don't know what the name is for it, but here's the first few google links that pop up.

    http://nobaproject.com/modules/eyewi...-memory-biases
    http://science.time.com/2013/11/19/r...fflict-us-all/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337233/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4183265/
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...d_implications
    Seriously, bro? This is what you want to hinge your argument on?

    Where is your primary source evidence proving he was at home during the shooting?

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    Why would I overly rely on the system to give the truth about a phony system? That makes no sense. That's the umbrella argument, anyways. I'm talking about looking at the holes and contradictions in Hogg's own story. That's what you seem to want to get away from.
    Why would I even have to care what you think was fishy if you were not there when the events unfolded? To make me care, you have to prove there's a concerted conspiracy involving otherwise reputable media, a teacher, multiple kids.

    The burden of proof is on you. So, show your cards. You said you did your detective work, let's see it.

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    People ask for common sense, and once you have a first hand account that the kid was there, nobody that was there contradicting that account, we suddenly have to think "something's fishy", "connect the dots"...

    Because of some video that's been admitted to be taken out of context...

    I'm done here. Until further news, kid was at school during the shootout. I'll review once I get evidence to the contrary.
    Holes in the story.

    1. I heard shots / I thought it was a drill. (contradiction)
    2. Packed into a tight classroom (video shows plenty of room / people talking casually in the background)

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    Seriously, bro? This is what you want to hinge your argument on? Are you unfamiliar with the phenomenon of witness claiming stuff that never happened? Are you unfamiliar with how common this is? I don't know what the name is for it, but here's the first few google links that pop up.

    http://nobaproject.com/modules/eyewi...-memory-biases
    http://science.time.com/2013/11/19/r...fflict-us-all/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337233/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4183265/
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...d_implications
    Prove the teacher had false memories, the kids had false memories. It's your claim.

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    Why would I even have to care what you think was fishy if you were not there when the events unfolded? To make me care, you have to prove there's a concerted conspiracy involving otherwise reputable media, a teacher, multiple kids.

    The burden of proof is on you. So, show your cards. You said you did your detective work, let's see it.
    There you go again. You want the larger conspiracy so that you can poke holes while ignoring the basic flaws in this Hogg kid's story. You certainly don't want to take on that "burden."

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    Prove the teacher had false memories, the kids had false memories. It's your claim.
    Let's not pretend that this is an issue that has been thoroughly explored. You're relying on one teacher's word.

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    Let's not pretend that this is an issue that has been thoroughly explored. You're relying on one teacher's word.
    And at least half a dozen kids that didn't deny it either.

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    There you go again. You want the larger conspiracy so that you can poke holes while ignoring the basic flaws in this Hogg kid's story. You certainly don't want to take on that "burden."
    There are no basic flaws in his story.

    You have showed no primary source evidence proving he was at home during the shooting.

    Still waiting....

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    There you go again. You want the larger conspiracy so that you can poke holes while ignoring the basic flaws in this Hogg kid's story. You certainly don't want to take on that "burden."
    I don't have to. I have sourced facts that the events unfolded as described. There's no holes and conspiracy as far as I'm concerned.

    Convince me with your sources and detective work that the AP lied, the teacher lied, the kids lied. It's your claim.

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    Derp's act is tired. It's not even good trolling, it's just quan y over quality.

    Time to move on.

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    I'll even take FoxNews, RedState...*



    *not Cosmoron though

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