LOL David Hogg Isn't Even A "Survivor"

[Spurtacular]

And at least half a dozen kids that didn't deny it either.

Solid stuff there.

[Spurtacular]

I don't have to. I have sourced facts that the events unfolded as described. There's no holes and conspiracy as far as I'm concerned.

Convince me with your sources and detective work that the AP lied, the teacher lied, the kids lied. It's your claim.

If you watch interviews with Hogg he contradicts himself multiple times. He says he heard the gunshots and then also tells a story about how he thought it was a drill even by the time he got home. He's a crisis actor who has a hard time telling a coherent story. And that he even said his sister called him at 5 in the morning to find he was out doing interviews when he should be at school. They didn't even hire a very smart crisis actor. Nepotism I guess.

[ElNono]

Solid stuff there.

Way, way better than "I think something is fishy". The kids were there, you were not.

[Spurtacular]

If you watch interviews with Hogg he contradicts himself multiple times. He says he heard the gunshots and then also tells a story about how he thought it was a drill even by the time he got home. He's a crisis actor who has a hard time telling a coherent story. And that he even said his sister called him at 5 in the morning to find he was out doing interviews when he should be at school. They didn't even hire a very smart crisis actor. Nepotism I guess.

ElNono

Not to mention that article talks about the teacher/students listening to the police activity on the radio / David Hogg saying he was very worried about his sister. And then he goes home and figures it was all a drill? Bro, this story is so full of giant holes that Arnold can drive his Hummer through it. at you trying to use redstate dot com as crutch to hide like a child from glaring contradictions.

[Spurtacular]

Way, way better than "I think something is fishy". The kids were there, you were not.

You are apparently unfamiliar with American high schools, so let me clue you in. They can be very tribal; and a lot of them don't want to be "snitches." But you keep thinking you got something.

[Mikeanaro]

The funny thing is once you live here for a while, you realize that Macri would be ideologically basically a pragmatic Obama, whereas Trump, the populist pandering to the low-education voters would be Cristina...

Congress is different though.

They are not so similar, Obama/Hillary is more a Cristina, allowing illegals to enter the country to give him votes just like Cristina did with Paraguayans and Bolivians, Cristina/Nestor gave same marriage sex and lots of LGTB crap, who was against that and then she was the queen? *ding*

We had here fake news long long before the States, in 99 after Menem left (but tried to get elected in 2003) he bought Canal 9 rename it Azul and started the fake news spreading baddies all day, introducing RIESGO PAIS, and people like LAJE, HADAD, NEGRO GONZALEZ ORO, BABY ECHECOPAR were the players.

Cristina had C5N, CN23, CANAL 9, AMERICA A24, Telefe, ATC/Television publica and everything was just perfect (except the opposition that was a minority) and they were mocking people with different thoughts, just like liberal people in the states, but here Cristina would send you AFIP (IRS) to inspire fear.

In the states was and is the same story, CNN ABC NBC and all fake news media were mocking The Don, now that he is in charge is all about how bad he is (funny because they dont have much to say about economy).

And one important Cristina/O/Hillary parallel ¨the makes me feel gud¨ factor, Cristina here was the queen of ¨human rights¨ what the is that? people having no pipes to take a , no food equals to human rights, right? but since she had her paid leftist idiots she was the best thing alive, because she was giving us ¨human rights¨.

And O/Hilla gave you the ¨he/she makes me feel good¨ which was taking national debt from 8 to 20, women still underpaid, mass shootings all time highs, blacks still so Big O did nothing for them, but its all ¨great¨for leftist idiots.
Both have ¨actors¨applauding them, scrubs here ¨Hollyweirdos¨there.

That takes me to the point, liberalism is a disease, have you seen whats happening in Barcelona? they all do the same, scream like es full of intolerance, you are with them or you are the enemy.
Liberals from all over the world deserve everything because they are a gift from god.
Most of these idiots are like that because their parents were too busy doing other things and they never got a hug, pathetic.

MMLPQTP (Mau Macri la puta que te pario) equals to ¨NOT MY PRESIDENT¨.
Macri gato equals to ¨IMPEACH TRUMP¨

And Cristina/Obbo had nothing against them, perfect people?

[ElNono]

If you watch interviews with Hogg he contradicts himself multiple times. He says he heard the gunshots and then also tells a story about how he thought it was a drill even by the time he got home. He's a crisis actor who has a hard time telling a coherent story. And that he even said his sister called him at 5 in the morning to find he was out doing interviews when he should be at school. They didn't even hire a very smart crisis actor. Nepotism I guess.

So you admit not having evidence that he wasn't at school that day, and no evidence that AP lied, the teacher lied and a number of kids lied? It's your claim, your burden of proof.

I'm not going to vouch for the kid, I don't know him. I can certainly admit that nobody else on this story had any reason to lie and it would be a pretty monumental accomplishment to pull it off. It would also require the original claim not have been retracted.

[Spurtacular]

So you admit not having evidence

I admit that his story is completely flawed.

1. He was at school panicking about the shooter / listening to the police activity on the radio that a teacher had.
2. He thought it was merely just a drill and rushed to the school to be on the scene when he found out it was a shooting.

Which of the two is it? Pick one. Either way, Hogg's caught in a lie and you're trying to prop him up.

I wouldn't "vouch" for that sh** either!

[Mikeanaro]

thinks he meant drill as an the tool.

Yeah, specially that part where it says ¨Now seriously¨...

[Pavlov]

I admit that his story is completely flawed.

1. He was at school panicking about the shooter / listening to the police activity on the radio that a teacher had.
2. He thought it was merely just a drill and rushed to the school to be on the scene when he found out it was a shooting.

Which of the two is it? Pick one. Either way, Hogg's caught in a lie and you're trying to prop him up.

I wouldn't "vouch" for that sh** either!

You have no primary source evidence Hogg was at home during the shooting.

Still waiting....

[ElNono]

They are not so similar, Obama/Hillary is more a Cristina, allowing illegals to enter the country to give him votes just like Cristina did with Paraguayans and Bolivians, Cristina/Nestor gave same marriage sex and lots of LGTB crap, who was against that and then she was the queen? *ding*

We had here fake news long long before the States, in 99 after Menem left (but tried to get elected in 2003) he bought Canal 9 rename it Azul and started the fake news spreading baddies all day, introducing RIESGO PAIS, and people like LAJE, HADAD, NEGRO GONZALEZ ORO, BABY ECHECOPAR were the players.

Cristina had C5N, CN23, CANAL 9, AMERICA A24, Telefe, ATC/Television publica and everything was just perfect (except the opposition that was a minority) and they were mocking people with different thoughts, just like liberal people in the states, but here Cristina would send you AFIP (IRS) to inspire fear.

In the states was and is the same story, CNN ABC NBC and all fake news media were mocking The Don, now that he is in charge is all about how bad he is (funny because they dont have much to say about economy).

And one important Cristina/O/Hillary parallel ¨the makes me feel gud¨ factor, Cristina here was the queen of ¨human rights¨ what the is that? people having no pipes to take a , no food equals to human rights, right? but since she had her paid leftist idiots she was the best thing alive, because she was giving us ¨human rights¨.

And O/Hilla gave you the ¨he/she makes me feel good¨ which was taking national debt from 8 to 20, women still underpaid, mass shootings all time highs, blacks still so Big O did nothing for them, but its all ¨great¨for leftist idiots.
Both have ¨actors¨applauding them, scrubs here ¨Hollyweirdos¨there.

That takes me to the point, liberalism is a disease, have you seen whats happening in Barcelona? they all do the same, scream like es full of intolerance, you are with them or you are the enemy.
Liberals from all over the world deserve everything because they are a gift from god.
Most of these idiots are like that because their parents were too busy doing other things and they never got a hug, pathetic.

MMLPQTP (Mau Macri la puta que te pario equals to ¨NOT MY PRESIDENT¨.
Macri gato equals to ¨IMPEACH TRUMP¨

And Cristina/Obbo had nothing against them, perfect people?

Honestly, Mike, I would think you're relatively young (I don't mean this in a bad way), because I remember all the illegals forever, even when Alfonsin was president, or even Mendez who was more right wing than Macri.

Don basically ran a Cristina/Mendez campaign: revolucion productiva, we're going to get jobs back here (Cristina's populism was all about industrialization, planes trabajar). She pandered to the low education voters, and tried to keep them there (which mimics the anti-science GOP playbook).

Macri ran the Obama playbook: Hope & Change (globitos amarillos, le't s be happy, a better argentina).

There's no doubt they're all crooked over there, peronachos y radichetas. They both steal, both keep the money offshore, even when they're government.

But there's a lot of the same here. The real power lies in Congress, and nobody likes them. Liberals or conservatives.

The main difference is that there's a relatively quick justice system here, and that's very important to keeping checks and balances.

That's why I can't agree that 'liberalism is a disease'. Politics du jour are a disease, because they've been compromised a long time ago.

Then, the 90% of non-rich people look at who throws them a crumble. It's a sad state of affairs.

[ElNono]

I admit that his story is completely flawed.

But you have no evidence that it is. I mean, it's cool, it's your prerogative. Like I said, I can't force you to anything.

[ElNono]

Based on facts and witnesses accounts:

- He was at the school during the shooting, and evacuated.
- Went home, checked the news
- At 6PM he went back to school to do interviews, being he was a journo student.

Waiting for evidence to the contrary.

[ElNono]

Even if I were to think Hogg is a hack and a liar, facts are not based on Hoggs statements, but third party accounts with no reason whatsoever to lie.

[Mikeanaro]

Honestly, Mike, I would think you're relatively young (I don't mean this in a bad way), because I remember all the illegals forever, even when Alfonsin was president, or even Mendez who was more right wing than Macri.

Don basically ran a Cristina/Mendez campaign: revolucion productiva, we're going to get jobs back here (Cristina's populism was all about industrialization, planes trabajar). She pandered to the low education voters, and tried to keep them there (which mimics the anti-science GOP playbook).

Macri ran the Obama playbook: Hope & Change (globitos amarillos, le't s be happy, a better argentina).

There's no doubt they're all crooked over there, peronachos y radichetas. They both steal, both keep the money offshore, even when they're government.

But there's a lot of the same here. The real power lies in Congress, and nobody likes them. Liberals or conservatives.

The main difference is that there's a relatively quick justice system here, and that's very important to keeping checks and balances.

That's why I can't agree that 'liberalism is a disease'. Politics du jour are a disease, because they've been compromised a long time ago.

Then, the 90% of non-rich people look at who throws them a crumble. It's a sad state of affairs.

The campaign scheme was the same, Duran Barba took it from there, but as an administration are very different.

But neither Cristina or Tigre Riojano made a campaign like The Don talking about illegals and the Wall (the most divisive thing ever), anything else you could say it on any campaign the whole WE NEED JOBS HOSPITALS EDUCATION crapola.

But yeah, Donnie campaign played like Cristina, and Macri took the motif from Omono, Change/CAMBIEMOS.

Now as long as administrations my last post showed the differences.

I say liberalism is a disease because people vote those clowns, and they are the ones making these idiots more and more intolerant, there are no conservatives here or anywhere taking schools, burning down the streets & tires, covering their faces always against the ¨enemy¨ Chavez/Maduro have an enemy, Cristina has, Macri/Trump are not hunting opposition.

They have their Media creating division and exaggerating things, feeding weak minds with hate.
They have teachers changing the past, brainwashing kids.

Im not saying conservatives are the ultimate solution to all problems, but these clowns went to far, ing extremists.

So I respectfully stand for my beliefs.

[ElNono]

The campaign scheme was the same, Duran Barba took it from there, but as an administration are very different.

But neither Cristina or Tigre Riojano made a campaign like The Don talking about illegals and the Wall (the most divisive thing ever), anything else you could say it on any campaign the whole WE NEED JOBS HOSPITALS EDUCATION crapola.

But yeah, Donnie campaign played like Cristina, and Macri took the motif from Omono, Change/CAMBIEMOS.

Now as long as administrations my last post showed the differences.

I say liberalism is a disease because people vote those clowns, and they are the ones making these idiots more and more intolerant, there are no conservatives here or anywhere taking schools, burning down the streets & tires, covering their faces always against the ¨enemy¨ Chavez/Maduro have an enemy, Cristina has, Macri/Trump are not hunting opposition.

They have their Media creating division and exaggerating things, feeding weak minds with hate.
They have teachers changing the past, brainwashing kids.

Im not saying conservatives are the ultimate solution to all problems, but these clowns went to far, ing extremists.

So I respectfully stand for my beliefs.

It's cool. It's actually pretty amazing, tbh... Macri here would be between Obama and Clinton... you don't really know truly backwards conservatism until you're here. It's like el bolita de la villa, but conservative.

It's not just Argentina either, I've lived in Brazil, Europe, Canada... it's really an American phenomenon...

[Isitjustme?]

They are not so similar, Obama/Hillary is more a Cristina, allowing illegals to enter the country to give him votes just like Cristina did with Paraguayans and Bolivians, Cristina/Nestor gave same marriage sex and lots of LGTB crap, who was against that and then she was the queen? *ding*

We had here fake news long long before the States, in 99 after Menem left (but tried to get elected in 2003) he bought Canal 9 rename it Azul and started the fake news spreading baddies all day, introducing RIESGO PAIS, and people like LAJE, HADAD, NEGRO GONZALEZ ORO, BABY ECHECOPAR were the players.

Cristina had C5N, CN23, CANAL 9, AMERICA A24, Telefe, ATC/Television publica and everything was just perfect (except the opposition that was a minority) and they were mocking people with different thoughts, just like liberal people in the states, but here Cristina would send you AFIP (IRS) to inspire fear.

In the states was and is the same story, CNN ABC NBC and all fake news media were mocking The Don, now that he is in charge is all about how bad he is (funny because they dont have much to say about economy).

And one important Cristina/O/Hillary parallel ¨the makes me feel gud¨ factor, Cristina here was the queen of ¨human rights¨ what the is that? people having no pipes to take a , no food equals to human rights, right? but since she had her paid leftist idiots she was the best thing alive, because she was giving us ¨human rights¨.

And O/Hilla gave you the ¨he/she makes me feel good¨ which was taking national debt from 8 to 20, women still underpaid, mass shootings all time highs, blacks still so Big O did nothing for them, but its all ¨great¨for leftist idiots.
Both have ¨actors¨applauding them, scrubs here ¨Hollyweirdos¨there.

That takes me to the point, liberalism is a disease, have you seen whats happening in Barcelona? they all do the same, scream like es full of intolerance, you are with them or you are the enemy.
Liberals from all over the world deserve everything because they are a gift from god.
Most of these idiots are like that because their parents were too busy doing other things and they never got a hug, pathetic.

MMLPQTP (Mau Macri la puta que te pario) equals to ¨NOT MY PRESIDENT¨.
Macri gato equals to ¨IMPEACH TRUMP¨

And Cristina/Obbo had nothing against them, perfect people?

Lol wall of text like anyone cares

[Reck]

It's cool. It's actually pretty amazing, tbh... Macri here would be between Obama and Clinton... you don't really know truly backwards conservatism until you're here. It's like el bolita de la villa, but conservative.

It's not just Argentina either, I've lived in Brazil, Europe, Canada... it's really an American phenomenon...

Son, was this your day off? You're sure entertaining yourself with derp and this guy who cant even spell collusion.

[Spurtacular]

But you have no evidence that it is. I mean, it's cool, it's your prerogative. Like I said, I can't force you to anything.

Are you dense AF? It's his own words. He told two completely different stories. I don't know what more you could want to know this kid is a liar.

[spurraider21]

So he acts in disbelief about a shooting he was at? He goes home three miles and rides as fast as he can three miles back? Why would he even leave if he wanted to be Mr. Awesome journalist?

disbelief in the sense that "i cant believe that just happened" vs disbelief in the sense of "oh, there was a shooting today? weird, i dont remember that"

you're trying too hard to see a conspiracy when there isn't one.

[spurraider21]

Are you dense AF? It's his own words. He told two completely different stories. I don't know what more you could want to know this kid is a liar.

never did he say he was not at school during the shooting.

you're taking a quote from him saying that AFTER he was home, AFTER the shooting, he saw the press was doing interviews at school and decided to head back on his bike around 6pm or so. there's no contradiction there.

[ElNono]

Are you dense AF? It's his own words. He told two completely different stories. I don't know what more you could want to know this kid is a liar.

No he did not. You're either dense or purposely obtuse. It's been explained to you numerous times, you continue to pretend nobody told you the sequence of events.

You don't have to believe anything, but stop acting stupid like people didn't tell you what happened.

A "I don't believe those events happened" would suffice, then run away when people ask your for evidence.

[Spurtacular]

No he did not. You're either dense or purposely obtuse. It's been explained to you numerous times, you continue to pretend nobody told you the sequence of events.

You don't have to believe anything, but stop acting stupid like people didn't tell you what happened.

A "I don't believe those events happened" would suffice, then run away when people ask your for evidence.

So, you're saying that Hogg knew a shooting was ongoing and then went home and suddenly thought it was all a drill 'til he saw the news? That's you're level of being "purposely obtuse" right now. This has been explained multiple times to you now.

[Spurtacular]

never did he say he was not at school during the shooting.

you're taking a quote from him saying that AFTER he was home, AFTER the shooting, he saw the press was doing interviews at school and decided to head back on his bike around 6pm or so. there's no contradiction there.

I'll admit that my original OP didn't quite make the case I thought, necessarily. But having studied this further, my intuition that this kid is not telling the truth has been confirmed. It's simple math; two separate stories cannot equal the truth.

[Pavlov]

So, you're saying that Hogg knew a shooting was ongoing and then went home and suddenly thought it was all a drill 'til he saw the news? That's you're level of being "purposely obtuse" right now. This has been explained multiple times to you now.

No. He initially thought the shooting was a drill at the school.

When he was at the school.

When the shooting was happening.

High schools don't have drills of any kind at 6PM.

Which is when he returned to the school.

After being home.

Where he went after the shooting.

Just like he said.