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    Not that I have seen.

    What is your conspiracy theory about that, TSA?
    Quite the coincidence don’t you think.

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    The Steele dossier theory fell apart, now the Mifsud/Papadapolous/Downer theory is falling apart....what will their next theory be?

    The Maltese Phantom of Russiagate

    In the shifting narratives of the Trump-Russia probe, a Maltese academic named Joseph Mifsud has remained a linchpin regarding claims of collusion. He is the professor who allegedly told Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos that the Russians had emails related to the Clinton campaign. The FBI says it opened its investigation in late July 2016 after Papadopoulos relayed that information to Australian diplomat Alexander Downer, and the Australians tipped off U.S. authorities.

    While some news accounts describe Mifsud as an accomplice to Russian clandestine operations or a “cut-out” (intermediary), others contend he is a full-fledged Russian spy.

    In an official report, Democrats on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence asserted that “in their approach to Papadopoulos, the Russians used common tradecraft and employed a cut-out,” a “Kremlin-linked…Maltese professor named Joseph Mifsud.”

    No one in the American intelligence community has publicly challenged this description.

    But there is one major problem with this story: No evidence has been presented to support the claim. Although Mifsud has traveled many times to Russia and has contacts with Russian academics, his closest public ties are to Western governments, politicians, and ins utions, including the CIA, FBI and British intelligence services. One of Mifsud’s jobs has been to train diplomats, police officers, and intelligence officers at schools in London and Rome, where he lived and worked over the last dozen years.

    The house-of-mirrors nature of the claim that Mifsud is a spy is reflected in the guilty plea Papadopoulos signed on Oct. 5, 2017 for making several material false statements to the FBI. It reads, in part: “Defendant PAPADOPOULOS further told the investigating agents that the professor was ‘a nothing’ and ‘just a guy talk[ing] up connections or something.’ In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS understood that the professor had substantial connections to Russian government officials (and had met with some of those officials in Moscow immediately prior to telling defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the ‘thousands of emails’) and, over a period of months, defendant PAPADOPOULOS repeatedly sought to use the professor's Russian connections in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials.”

    If Mifsud truly is a Russian agent – which is key to the collusion narrative – he could prove to be one of the most promiscuous spies in modern history. Western intelligence agencies and European politicians would have to spend the next few decades repairing the damage he did to global security by infiltrating key ins utions and personnel. As of yet, however, there is no indication that any intelligence service has begun the embarrassing, but highly important, assessment of how it was penetrated and how it can re-fortify the vulnerabilities that Mifsud may have exposed. There has been no public effort to arrest him.

    While most media accounts have simply repeated official claims that Mifsud is a sketchy character whose visits to Russia and academic contacts suggest he is working for Russian intelligence, a look at the available evidence challenges that narrative. It also raises the possibility that Mifsud, whose circles are tied to the Clintons, may, like another professor recently in the news, Stefan Halper, have actually been working for Western intelligence agencies.
    Disappearance

    Painting a full picture of Mifsud is difficult because after the 58-year-old professor was first identified by name in a Washington Post article in the weeks following Papadopoulos’ confession, he gave a few interviews to the international press, and then disappeared.

    Rumors circulated in the press that the Kremlin-linked professor may have been recalled to Russia or was liquidated.

    A new book by former colleagues of Mifsud’s – Stephan Roh, a 50-year-old Swiss-German lawyer, and Thierry Pastor, a 35-year-old French political analyst – reports that he is alive and well. Their account includes a recent interview with him.

    Their self-published book, “The Faking of Russia-gate: The Papadopoulos Case, an Investigative Analysis,” includes a recent interview with Mifsud in which he denies saying anything about Clinton emails to Papadopoulos. Mifsud, they write, stated “vehemently that he never told anything like this to George Papadopoulos.” Mifsud asked rhetorically: “From where should I have this [information]?”

    Mifsud’s account seems to be supported by Alexander Downer, the Australian diplomat who alerted authorities about Papadopoulos. As reported in the Daily Caller, Downer said Papadopoulos never mentioned emails; he spoke, instead, about the Russians possessing material that could be damaging to Clinton. This new detail raises the possibility that Mifsud, Papadopoulos’ alleged source for the information, never said anything about Clinton-related emails either.

    In interviews with RealClearInvestigations, Roh and Pastor said Mifsud is anything but a Russian spy. Rather, he is more likely a Western intelligence asset.

    According to the two authors, it was a former Italian intelligence official, Vincenzo Scotti, a colleague of Mifsud’s and onetime interior minister, who told the professor to go into hiding. “I don’t know who was hiding him,” said Roh, “but I’m sure it was organized by someone. And I am sure it will be difficult to get to the bottom of it.”

    Roh said Mifsud was afraid when he first went into hiding. “He had been moved to a place far away in Italy. In November and December, it broke him down. He was under so much pressure and cut off from the world. He had no internet or access to communications.”

    Pastor and Roh, who hired Mifsud as a business development consultant in 2015, write that far from being a Russian spy, Mifsud “had only one master: the Western Political, Diplomatic and Intelligence World, his only home, of which he is still deeply dependent.”

    There is plenty of open source material that supports their thesis.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations....iagate_.html14


    So was Mifsud a Western or Russian asset?

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    Porton Johnson was involved?

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    Funny how this all comes back to M16 - British intelligence.

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    Quite the coincidence don’t you think.
    Question pending:

    What is your conspiracy theory about it?

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    Don’t make spurraider21 pull up all your pre-election quotes
    What that Hillary was gonna win the election and a couple of states she should have won in the first place? Wow, call a historian. This one is for the books, TSA.

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    1.) Nuclear fallout exposed Liberals for being childish and sheepish.

    2.) Chuck & Nancy. (no explanation needed)

    3.) Kamala Harris. (only prominent "opponent" I have seen for Trump so far; Bernie Sanders may be running again but everyone knows he's a collectivist and the cat is out of the bag)

    4.) The DNC went bankrupt. ()

    5.) Trump has massive support and is winning over blue states simply by adhering to the Cons ution.

    6.) Trump goes around Media with Twitter. (will continue to do so; has a unique connection to Americans)

    7.) The scandal is not going to go away any time soon. This is going to have a ripple effect on the DNC for years and years...

    8.) HRC won't go away. She's the gift that keeps on giving and a reminder to vote for Trump in 2020.

    9.) lol rambling about random states (who knows what you're talking about?) ()
    And yet, despite all that, they still won where they weren't supposed to.

    Losing Alabama to a democrat.

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    Losing Alabama to a democrat.
    who votes with Republicans most of the time. Doug Jones is no dummy.

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    Question pending:

    What is your conspiracy theory about it?
    I think it’s quite the coincidence that we didn’t hear about investigation 1 until the Steele dossier leaked. Until I see reporting on investigation 1 that occurred before the Steele dossier was released I’ll continue to think it’s quite the coincidence.

    Do you think Mifsud was a Western or Russian asset?

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    Funny how this all comes back to M16 - British intelligence.
    Funny how the head of GCHQ resigns days after Trump was sworn in.

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    I think it’s quite the coincidence that we didn’t hear about investigation 1 until the Steele dossier leaked. Until I see reporting on investigation 1 that occurred before the Steele dossier was released I’ll continue to think it’s quite the coincidence.
    Question pending: What is your conspiracy theory about this?

    Do you think Mifsud was a Western or Russian asset?
    Russian. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll wait for someone not in the conspiracy ecosystem to say.

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    Question pending: What is your conspiracy theory about this?
    I just think it’s a strange coincidence that’s all.

    Russian. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll wait for someone not in the conspiracy ecosystem to say.
    What leads you to believe he’s a Russian asset?

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    In interviews with RealClearInvestigations, Roh and Pastor said Mifsud is anything but a Russian spy. Rather, he is more likely a Western intelligence asset.

    According to the two authors, it was a former Italian intelligence official, Vincenzo Scotti, a colleague of Mifsud’s and onetime interior minister, who told the professor to go into hiding. “I don’t know who was hiding him,” said Roh, “but I’m sure it was organized by someone. And I am sure it will be difficult to get to the bottom of it.”

    Roh said Mifsud was afraid when he first went into hiding. “He had been moved to a place far away in Italy. In November and December, it broke him down. He was under so much pressure and cut off from the world. He had no internet or access to communications.”

    Pastor and Roh, who hired Mifsud as a business development consultant in 2015, write that far from being a Russian spy, Mifsud “had only one master: the Western Political, Diplomatic and Intelligence World, his only home, of which he is still deeply dependent.”

    There is plenty of open source material that supports their thesis.

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    In an official report, Democrats on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence asserted that “in their approach to Papadopoulos, the Russians used common tradecraft and employed a cut-out,” a “Kremlin-linked…Maltese professor named Joseph Mifsud.”

    No one in the American intelligence community has publicly challenged this description.

    But there is one major problem with this story: No evidence has been presented to support the claim. Although Mifsud has traveled many times to Russia and has contacts with Russian academics, his closest public ties are to Western governments, politicians, and ins utions, including the CIA, FBI and British intelligence services. One of Mifsud’s jobs has been to train diplomats, police officers, and intelligence officers at schools in London and Rome, where he lived and worked over the last dozen years.

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    If Mifsud truly is a Russian agent – which is key to the collusion narrative – he could prove to be one of the most promiscuous spies in modern history. Western intelligence agencies and European politicians would have to spend the next few decades repairing the damage he did to global security by infiltrating key ins utions and personnel. As of yet, however, there is no indication that any intelligence service has begun the embarrassing, but highly important, assessment of how it was penetrated and how it can re-fortify the vulnerabilities that Mifsud may have exposed. There has been no public effort to arrest him

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    I just think it’s a strange coincidence that’s all.
    I don't think it's a coincidence.

    What leads you to believe he’s a Russian asset?
    Common sense. I could be wrong.

    Why, in your own words, do you think he is a western asset?

    EDIT: Oh, I see the conspiracy site beamed directly into your brain.

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    But there is one major problem with this story: No evidence has been presented to support the claim.
    that never stopped you, TSA.

    there's nothing wrong with spitballing, just don't oversell it.

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    If Mifsud truly is a Russian agent – which is key to the collusion narrative – he could prove to be one of the most promiscuous spies in modern history. Western intelligence agencies and European politicians would have to spend the next few decades repairing the damage he did to global security by infiltrating key ins utions and personnel.
    This guy was trained by Putin the mastermind. Greatest spy of all times.

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    I don't think it's a coincidence.

    Common sense. I could be wrong.

    Why, in your own words, do you think he is a western asset?

    EDIT: Oh, I see the conspiracy site beamed directly into your brain.
    What sort of “common sense” leads you to believe he’s a Russian asset?

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    What sort of “common sense” leads you to believe he’s a Russian asset?
    My common sense.

    If you want to convince me I'm wrong, do it with your own words

    I'll read them.

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    My common sense.

    If you want to convince me I'm wrong, do it with your own words

    I'll read them.
    You confused wishful thinking with common sense.

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    My common sense.

    If you want to convince me I'm wrong, do it with your own words

    I'll read them.
    In my own words, like when I asked you for general dates you just linked 3 articles for me?

    Here you go.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations....ssiagate_.html

    If you read that and still think Mifsud was a Russian asset you have no common sense.

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    You confused wishful thinking with common sense.
    Nah.

    In my own words, like when I asked you for general dates you just linked 3 articles for me?

    Here you go.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations....ssiagate_.html

    If you read that and still think Mifsud was a Russian asset you have no common sense.
    Those aren't your words.

    You didn't read my dates the first time I posted them as a direct answer to your direct question, TSA.

    Would you like to see them posted again?

    lol

    I won't pretend to read your conspiracy site.

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    Refuses to read articles but demands you read his. Typical Pavlov.

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    Refuses to read articles but demands you read his. Typical Pavlov.
    He never read the articles I posted twice.

    Try to keep up.

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