Has Curry even had any high stakes legendary games? Klay has had 2--OKC Game 6 and HOU Game 6 this year. Curry is more consistent but hasn't really shown the ability to go ape for an entire game when their backs are against the wall, imo.
His most impressive game is probably that one 1st round game against the Spurs before they were actually real contenders.
This. As I was reading your lines I remember that game. He went ape crazy then.
Sure. The 2015-16 season for Curry is one of the historically great ones. And Nash's 05-06 MVP arguably could have gone to Dirk, Wade, Kobe or even LeBron.Because Nash has the most dubious back-to-back MVPs of all of the winners
Curry's 2014-15 MVP season was better than any of Nash's seasons, not to even speak of 2015-16, which is arguably a top 5 regular season in NBA history. Curry's peak is significantly higher than Nash's, has the hardware (both of Nash's were controversial), and I don't know how anyone can imply Curry to carried to rings. Like HH mentioned, he would be the FMVP in 2015 in any other year (26/6/5/2) w/o the weird LeBron narrative with (it's like giving Artest the FMVP in 2010 over Kobe).
But than you are saying that a 2-1 advantage in MVP, party achieved by a historically great supporting cast against a team that essentially played a 5 man rotation even in the regular season (the 04-05 Suns), is enough to provide a significant separation of Curry from Nash, Oscar, and everybody else who never won one but still was elite (Stockton, Kidd, Isiah). I think that at the very best this provides him some distance, but not enough to absolutely guarantee him that spot.
If he goes off in these finals, throws up vintage curry and takes the FMVP over Durant and he has a signature moment when he hits the game winner over LeBron, then he might get there. I mean, he had a great series vs. the Cavs in 2017 and almost averaged a trip/double. So it'll be telling how he shows out for these finals. Would the narrative be, well, he faced Lebron and 10 other L.A. Fitness ballers or will he finally get more credit then being quite possibly the best shooter this league has had up to this point?
I was thinking the same thing that last game. It seems like lately that he pretty much just hangs around and conserves his energy the first half. He then in the 3rd qtr goes on this ridiculous shooting streak and all of the sudden you look up at the box score and he has 30 points.
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I’m just thinking lately about where magic stands. He’s definitely top 10 and likely top 5, even top 3 in most peoples minds, but what happened to Lonzo, Clark son, nance, and Kobe the last few years got me thinking on this. I forgot who mentioned here but players on the lakers got overrated like crazy historically because of the glitz and glamour and media market and magic is no exception.
If you’ve ever watched them played, bird was clearly the better player back in the day. And yet after so many years people make it out as magic being better because they think of the bad back bird and the b2b mvp magic instead of the entire careers.
Bird got loaded teams but magics were even more so. The west was also demonstratably weaker back then. What should have been a clear case of bird > magic became they are hand in hand with magic slightly better.
It’s funny how you can draw parallels between magic and Kobe’s careers where they were clearly the robin in the first three and yet people just throw out five rings. Yes, magic was clearly the alpha both eye test wise and statistically the last two so he get points for that.
Don’t get me wrong, magic is my favourite non spur of all time but trying to be objective here.
Not buying the Bird is better. Peak? Sure, I accept that. But career-wise, headtohead rings, MVP's are close I dont see much to say Bird is better. Magic still has playoff and career records that even Lebron has not broken ...
Bird I dont believe have any ... Bird is the one overrated based on his peak and the saved the league story-line more so than Magic. Bird was the best player in one of the weker parts of the 80's (just after the latee 70's show) and his peak wasnt very long before his body started to break down.
Respect the out of him and he was my GOAT SF over Dr. J, Nique., Pippen etc BEFORE Lebron ... but stop it.
I'll buy its close out of respect of what a bad man he was from 80-84 ... and peak bird was better ... but his game was already starting to decline a bit by the mid 80's.
Before HIV magic was still at a pretty high level even though they basically started the same time in the league.
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Good post (although off topic. Bird is not a PG. Why is he in this thread?). But I'll indulge you.
Lakers vs Celtics saved the league. It is easily the most important, storied rivalry in NBA history. Magic was the leader and linchpin of Showtime. He is NOT overrated in any sense of the imagination.
You say Bird was better? Please. Magic beat him twice in the Finals and has more rings.
You want stats? I'll take Magic's career averages of 19.5ppg, 7.2 rpg, and 11.2apg over Bird's 24.3ppg, 10rpg, and 6.3apg any day. And Magic did it over a longer period of time.
Bird played on the greatest frontline in NBA history. His '86 Celtics rank 3rd on my all time list behind Magic's '87 Lakers and Jordan's 72-10 Bulls (and yes, all 3 of these teams would beat these Warriors in a best of 7).
It's all objective though. Magic is my favorite player of all time, so I'll admit my bias. But there is no other player I would start a franchise with over him. He used to kick ass with a smile on his face. If not for a blown hammy in '89, he 3peats before Jordan did and matches his rang total ( ing Riles punkass fault).
Top 30 imo
Great post. I got mad respect for Bird too, but I can't bring myself to saying his peak was better. Maybe I'm crazy, but I got LBJ, Pip, then Bird all time at SF. I am biased with Pip (favorite non-Laker) but I can't deny LBJ's 30K/8K/8K so by default he the GOAT SF.
A couple more notes:
I think Magic also has over Bird the better iconic Finals performance Game 6 vs Sixers Bird has some great finals games too but nothing close to that (So if you argue that is a peak, the edge goes to MAgic)
Magic has the iconic junior skyhook over the celts in the Finals
Bird himself said Magic was better (Jordan and achilles too, but that is irrelevant here)
Exactly. I am too lazy to look it up, but Bird did say Magic was better. This was after a Finals loss IIRC.
Chingchong with the bads, par yhe course
Bird was clearly the better player from start till 86. THen His back gave up. He’s never been about records. He doesn’t really put up ridiculous stats and is more about controlling the flow of the game.
Magics regular season assist records were great but they have been broken by Stockton and I think even Mark Jackson got more career assists than him. What playoff records are you speaking of?
I agree lebron surpassed them both but given the two, I think bird is slightly better than magic.
H2h is again about team. The team with jabbar is likely gonna win more than the team with mchale. Mchale was great but just saying.
Also, bird had to got through Detroit and were pretty roughed up when they get to the finals, who did magic had to go through? The Mavs and the rockets were their greatest threats till the finals and the league took care of both of them for the lakers.
I ain’t about having one game as peak. Gimme a break.
Bird was a low key guy who doesn’t like credit.
Is your stepdad Asian by any chance?
No one but the refs could stop him that year.
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Yup.Bird was clearly the better player from start till 86. THen His back gave up. He’s never been about records. He doesn’t really put up ridiculous stats and is more about controlling the flow of the game.
Magics regular season assist records were great but they have been broken by Stockton and I think even Mark Jackson got more career assists than him. What playoff records are you speaking of?
I agree lebron surpassed them both but given the two, I think bird is slightly better than magic.
H2h is again about team. The team with jabbar is likely gonna win more than the team with mchale. Mchale was great but just saying.
Also, bird had to got through Detroit and were pretty roughed up when they get to the finals, who did magic had to go through? The Mavs and the rockets were their greatest threats till the finals and the league took care of both of them for the lakers.
Top two point guards all-time don't need to be bailed out by Speedy Claxton, Beno Udrih, or Patty Mills when it matters most.
I don't even see Curry as a point guard. He's an under-sized SG. His playmaking skills are average (above average at best). He gets careless with the ball a lot and makes dumb passes.
Did you go to sat classes after school, by any chance?
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