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Cucks don't give orders, sorry.
I don't care about what you say in these threads. Stop with the ing annoying mentions.
Obsessed freak.
Cucks don't give orders, sorry.
You'll stop because you care about message board looks. You look completely obsessed when you mention me in threads I have no desire to ever enter. You're a freak.
Sorry, I don't speak cuck. I don't know what that means.
If one one throws in a dash of “I know God better than you...” with the above.
Well, that’s worth a good 1000 years of fighting.
You are strange.
Are you married?
Im betting women treat you like foot fungus.
??? I'm not Blake, and have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about here.The subtext of this thread is still completely relevant. You ain't cucked cos your wife was Christian, blake.
I would bet no. He might be able to convince some woman with particularly low self-esteem to pair with him briefly, but he doesn't seem the type to be able to form long-term relationships.
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As a Teen, Emily Joy Was Abused by a Church Youth Leader. Now She’s Leading a Movement to Change Evangelical America.
#ChurchToo has opened the floodgates.
while the accused was a man in a position of power over his victim, her story also had a key difference:
Joy’s abuser was a trusted member of her evangelical church.
After talking it over with her friends, the 27-year-old poet decided to post to Twitter her story about
Ty Sïlzer, the then-thirtysomething man in her mega-church in Peoria, Illinois,
who she says manipulated her into a romantic relationship when she was still a teenager.
“It took me a long time and therapy even to understand, ‘Oh, that’s because I didn’t have an understanding of consent—
my church community didn’t have an understanding of consent.'”
When Joy woke up the next day in her home in Nashville, her phone was flooded with notifications. Nearly 1,500 miles away in Phoenix, Paasch was experiencing the same digital deluge.
Men and women from all over the world were sharing their stories of
sexual abuse in churches, particularly in evangelical houses of worship, using #ChurchToo.
Among them was Emiko Ragan, who was in Joy’s high school youth group back in Peoria and used the hashtag to share
her story of abuse—by the same man who allegedly abused Joy.
When she was 17 and he was in his 30s, Ragan says,
the two began a relationship—
he said God told him she was meant to be his wife.
https://www.motherjones.com/crime-ju...lical-america/
http://on.theatln.tc/HTEw47r
Indeed, disentangling the SBC from the GOP is central to the denomination’s makeover. For example, a motion to defund the ERLC in response to the agency’s full-throated opposition to Donald Trump failed miserably.
Vice President Mike Pence addressed the convention this year, which may seem like the same old song to outsiders. But there was widespread resistance to Pence’s participation. A motion to disinvite the vice president was proposed and debated, but was ultimately voted down. During his address, which hit some notes more typical of a campaign speech, a few Southern Baptists left the room out of protest. Others criticized the move to reporters or spoke out on Twitter. The newly elected Greear tweeted that the invitation “sent a terribly mixed signal” and reminded his fellow Baptists that “commissioned missionaries, not political platforms, are what we do.”
Though most Southern Baptists remain politically conservative, it seems that some are now less willing to have their denomination serve as a handmaiden to the GOP, especially in the current political moment. They appear to recognize that tethering themselves to Donald Trump—a thrice-married man who has bragged about committing adultery, lies with impunity, allegedly paid hush money to a porn star with whom he had an affair, and says he has never asked God for forgiveness—places the moral credibility of the Southern Baptist Convention at risk.
“Southern Baptists thought that if they became more conservative, their growth would continue unabated. But they couldn’t outrun the demographics and hold the decline at bay,” said Leonard. “Classic fundamentalist old-guard churches are either dead or dying, and the younger generation is realizing that the old way of articulating the gospel is turning away more people than it is attracting. “
Regardless of their motivations, this shift away from a more culturally strident and politically partisan stance is significant.
As the late pastor Adrian Rogers said at the 2002 SBC annual meeting in St. Louis, “As the West goes, so goes the world. As America goes, so goes the West. As Christianity goes, so goes America. As evangelicals go, so goes Christianity. As Southern Baptists go, so go evangelicals.”
Rogers may have had an inflated sense of the denomination’s importance, but the fact remains that what happens in the SBC often ripples across culture. In Trump’s America, where the religious right wields outsized influence, the shifts among Southern Baptists could be a harbinger of broader change among evangelicals.
"a harbinger of broader change among evangelicals"
en masse, evangelicals, Protestant or Catholic, will never vote for the Dems as the party of non-white-non-males, LGBTQ, abortion, "socialists".
At best, they could decide not to vote Repug, not to vote Dem, so having nowhere to go, just not vote, effectively voting, passively, for Dems.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 06-16-2018 at 10:15 AM.
The church evolves much more slowly than the rest of society but it still evolves. They'll likely always lean conservative but I doubt they'll be overtly phobic much longer.
the hateful viciousness we see in their racism, xenophobia, phobia, misogyny doesn't indicate individuals will change even if their churches get more Christ-like.
They'll just go find a hate-filled church to match their own hate
Last edited by boutons_deux; 06-16-2018 at 04:12 PM.
Not sure about that. At least not in our lifetime
In our lifetime a majority of evangelical Christians opposed interracial marriage, and that wouldn't even be given a second thought as a platform now.
I find that SCOTUS ruled anti-miscegenation laws unCons utional in 1967.
Since then Protestants / evangelicals have become much more politicized (with many thanks to Billy Graham, whose son is much worse), polarized,
and relentless in imposing their Bible on everybody, in schools, in businesses, with the help of the oligarchy SCOTUS (cake baking)
The evangelical church has become leaner and arguably meaner
evangelicals’ numerical decline has produced a leaner, and perhaps meaner, church.
The most moderate voices — people who have tempered extremes in politics and policy with commonsense and compassion — are the most likely to vacate the pews.
Research shows that the rates of new “nones” are rising most quickly in Republican states.
The evangelical church is left with its most conservative, least compromising members in charge of vast amounts of money and influence.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...531-story.html
"most conservative, least compromising members" are vehemently defending, imposing their core beliefs of misogyny, racism, anti-abortion, anti-public schools, anti-govt, anti-science, pro-Biblical-fairy-tales
Majority? I'm not so sure. I was a little kid but I don't recall anyone in arms over the Jeffersons neighbors the Willises.
In 1983, 50% of all Americans surveyed disapproved of blacks marrying whites. For whites surveyed, that number was 56%. It can be safely assumed that evangelical Christians were not below the national average.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/11836/a...cord-high.aspx
Eh yeah I'm still not sure about religious nuts coming around on gay marriageIn 1983, 50% of all Americans surveyed disapproved of blacks marrying whites. For whites surveyed, that number was 56%. It can be safely assumed that evangelical Christians were not below the national average.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/11836/a...cord-high.aspx
I think the big difference is that the bible in plain words says gays should be put to death. Hard to get around that for Christians.
Nothing in the bible against interracial relationships
On the contrary, opponents of interracial marriage had several scriptures they pointed to when arguing against interracial marriage.
One example was the sons of Noah - Shem, Ham and Japheth. Evangelicals believed these were the origins of whites, negroids and mongoloids. Ham was cursed, so naturally he was the father of the negroids. So they opposed intermarrying with a cursed race. Stupid, right?
A more common argument was always that God intended for the races to be separate, and that interbreeding went against God's will. They would quote several scriptures alluding to this. That's a common evergreen argument for Christians resistant to shifting cultural Dynamics. "But that's not what God intended!" You hear the same thing when it comes to the gays.
As for Biblical opposition to gay marriage, it would not be unlike the church's evolution beyond considering divorce a mortal sin. There are plenty of sins that the Bible condemns as execution-worthy that Christians rarely quibble over today. https://www.thedailybeast.com/all-th...xecute-you-for
Christian churches have evolved past their opposition to women participating in service (or even attending service without their heads covered), instrumental music, allowing divorced people to remarry, and interracial marriage. I think of you talk to a few Christians under the age of 30 you'll be pleasantly surprised at their open mindedness and their real motivations, even if they do still literally believe in fairy tales.
"We know of no biblical or moral considerations that would prohibit interracial marriage, and we disagree with those who attempt to use the Bible to condemn it. Every person, regardless of their race and culture, is of equal worth in God's eyes. Whenever a man and a woman pledge themselves to one another for life and do so with the intent to honor God in their marriage, it should be a cause for celebration. Period."
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/fam...tural-marriage
" sexual behavior is just one of many sins God forgives and brings people out of.*"
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/soc...nd-real-change
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