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    https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1558913
    The Spurs drove Leonard to leave by overplaying their hand:

    Playing for the San Antonio Spurs is similar to playing with LeBron James in that both parties are infallible.

    That means if anything goes wrong, as with the case of Kawhi Leonard's trade request, the blame falls squarely on the other side. It can't possibly be the fault of the best organization in basketball, and it must be that Leonard has gone mad.

    The prevailing narrative is that Leonard and his greedy uncle-turned-manager Dennis Robertson are silly for wanting to leave. Leonard's otherwise unblemished name was dragged through the mud over the last six months as he recovered from a quad injury, even though there's plenty of fault to go around on both sides.

    San Antonio is hardly blameless. The Spurs alienated their franchise player, overplayed the "Spurs mystique" that faded after Tim Duncan retired, took shots at Leonard through the media, and now they're about to face a harsh reality going forward.

    Their failure was driven by two key mistakes.

    Alienating their franchise player
    Reports suggest Leonard's camp feels betrayed by the Spurs, although you don't need reporters to tell you there are problems since he's leaving $219 million on the table.

    How did the rift get so bad? It all traces back to Leonard's right quadriceps injury, which the Spurs medical team initially called a contusion. He played through the injury in last year's playoffs, but the true severity wasn't known until the offseason. Leonard's recovery was slow, and he didn't fully trust himself to play. When he finally did make his return in December, the 26-year-old was in and out of the lineup and eventually had to sit after nine games.

    He still wasn't completely healed and sought a second opinion, which is what anyone else would do in that situation. His doctors concluded Leonard had a tendon issue causing a degenerative effect on the muscle, which meant a different recovery schedule than what the Spurs called for since their doctors thought it was a bruise. That disagreement contributed to tension in the relationship, according to ESPN's Ramona Shelburne.

    The Spurs decided to draw a line in the sand with Leonard and started pressuring him through the media. Not only did they leak reports he was sitting despite receiving team clearance, but they also went after him publicly by leaking that Leonard was "distant" and "disconnected."

    Gregg Popovich was peppered daily with questions about Leonard's playing status, so he directed reporters to ask Leonard's "group." That shifted the blame toward the player, which wasn't a smart move. Popovich repeated the line throughout the year and publicly challenged his star. He reportedly has yet to sit down with Leonard to hash out their issues, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, even though the season ended two months ago.

    Tony Parker, one of the franchise's most respected voices, piled on the pressure. Parker boasted that his quad injury was "a hundred times worse." He also reportedly led a "tense and emotional" team meeting in which the players asked Leonard when he would play.

    The Spurs being anxious to have Leonard on the court is understandable. They won 61 games and went to the Western Conference finals in 2016-17 largely because of him, and with several veterans like Parker, Pau Gasol, and Manu Ginobili fading fast, the team didn't have time to wait.

    The Spurs feeling confident in their medical team is also understandable. They extended the careers of Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and other aging stars by being innovative with rest and treatment. A strong reputation as one of the best training staffs in the league has been well earned.

    But the Spurs overplayed their hand by pressuring Leonard about his injury, one they couldn't fix. The two-time All-Star was never going to suit up unless he felt 100-percent healthy, so going after him publicly served no purpose other than to alienate him.

    Taking Leonard for granted
    The Spurs' mantra over the years has been that they want players who have gotten "over" themselves.

    It sounds good on paper, but the implication is they seek players who are going to put the team first. Of course, that was an easier sell when the endlessly selfless Tim Duncan set the example for everyone else. But Duncan has been gone since retiring in 2016, and he left behind a leadership void.

    The "team first" mantra is also outdated in an era of player control. Superstars want to dictate their own terms, often by forming superteams, as James and Kevin Durant did to win les. Leonard is no different, and the Spurs mistook his unassuming nature for being the exception, but he's now being the rule.

    There are limitations small-market teams face, and while the Spurs have historically avoided them, they're now starting to feel the squeeze. When Leonard's shoe deal expired, the two-time Defensive Player of the Year and former Finals MVP was only offered $20 million over four years by Jordan Brand. To put that deal into perspective, Lonzo Ball received a $20 million offer over five years from Nike before playing a game, simply because of hype and being with the always popular Los Angeles Lakers.

    It's no wonder Leonard now wants to join the Lakers, according to Wojnarowski, a feeling that goes beyond where he was born.

    Teams in smaller markets operate like the Oklahoma City Thunder, an organization that bends over backwards for its stars. It doesn't always work - Durant left to chase both a ring and a different lifestyle - but at least the approach helps, however marginally. Russell Westbrook loved being a big fish in a small pond, he won an MVP (over Leonard) by collecting counting stats to his heart's content, and then he opted to sign a super-max extension to stay - the same extension the Spurs hoped Leonard would ink as well. The Thunder haven't won five les like the Spurs, but they're set up better going forward.

    The next few years will be a test of Spurs culture, and just how much it will crumble without the people who laid the foundation. Duncan is gone, Ginobili and Parker could join him in retirement, Popovich is not long off, and now Leonard wants out. Who will carry this great franchise going forward?

    That's the most perplexing part of the Spurs' public campaign against Leonard. They didn't have much to fall back upon, as the rest of the roster is old and has limitations. San Antonio keeps failing to unearth any young prospects with star potential, while also struggling to attract stars outside of LaMarcus Aldridge. Then there's Popovich, who already has his next job lined up with Team USA.

    Leonard was their only bridge to the future, and now they'll face the consequences after treating him poorly.
    Inb4 the slurpers say the Spurs deserve 0% of the blame.

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    Terrible puff piece that was very Pro-Kawhi. It's the same bs we heard before:

    1. Spurs allegedly misdiagnosed the injury and forced Kawhi to play during the playoffs.
    2. Spurs got in a dispute with Kawhi's Doctors over the recovery time of the injury.
    3. It's the Spurs fault why Kawhi can't get a big shoe deal.
    4. Also the Spurs fault for not creating a super team with Kawhi.
    5. Spurs need to kiss Kawhi's ass 24/7 like OKC does with Russ.
    6. Manu and Tony direspected Kawhi by calling him out in the media and by conducting that intense meeting

    I can't stress it enough but what a profoundly stupid article and this is coming from someone who doesn't think Pop and front office is perfect.

    My feelings about this article are summed up by this video:


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    Great article. As I said, patfo ed up. And porky definitely made things worse with his comments.

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    Seems to me the solution to most of the NBA problems is to allow teams to play physical defense again like they did during the bad boy Piston days. Then they whole idea of a super team most often would only work on paper.

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    Great article. As I said, patfo ed up. And porky definitely made things worse with his comments.
    I don't buy that bs. If Kawhi's feelings got hurt by Parker he truly is a weak guy. Kawhi could have been an Alpha and told Paker to off. All Superstar players get challenged by their teammates at times but they don't retreat in a s and go into hiding. Lebron got into spats with Mario Chalmers, Jordan back in the day got into it with BJ Armstrong, and even Duncan had beef with Avery Johnson.

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    I'm not pro-Kawhi or pro-spurs. If kawhi wants to go, then let him. We need to focus on us now. Crying over it instead of making moves does nothing. The spurs ed up. We can all believe what we want to believe but this is not a perfect organization. I'm still in disbelief over letting dedmond walk and giving Gasol $50 million. That just made no ing sense whatsoever

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    Seems to me the solution to most of the NBA problems is to allow teams to play physical defense again like they did during the bad boy Piston days. Then they whole idea of a super team most often would only work on paper.
    I actually thought about that during the playoffs when it came to the Warriors that you need go back to the old defensive rules so teams have a chance to beat them. Warriors would still be great under the old defensive rules but they would be very beatable.

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    I don't buy that bs. If Kawhi's feelings got hurt by Parker he truly is a weak guy. Kawhi could have been an Alpha and told Paker to off. All Superstar players get challenged by their teammates at times but they don't retreat in a s and go into hiding. Lebron got into spats with Mario Chalmers, Jordan back in the day got into it with BJ Armstrong, and even Duncan had beef with Avery Johnson.
    Seriously. Parker is one of Pop's favorites. If ing teammate's wife doesn't get you on the bad side of your coach, nothing will. And I've never heard anyone say a bad thing about Brent Barry

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    Seriously. Parker is one of Pop's favorites. If ing teammate's wife doesn't get you on the bad side of your coach, nothing will. And I've never heard anyone say a bad thing about Brent Barry
    Truth bomb. It's history like this that makes me believe Poop would choose TP and Manu over Kawhi no matter what.

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    Seriously. Parker is one of Pop's favorites. If ing teammate's wife doesn't get you on the bad side of your coach, nothing will. And I've never heard anyone say a bad thing about Brent Barry
    Parker is a diva no doubt about that and yes he's one of Pop's favorites along with Manu but still for Kawhi not to stand up to him makes him look like a . Keep in mind Avery Johnson was also Pop's favorite back in the day but once Duncan and him got into it during the '01 WCF he was out of SA immediately that summer.

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    Well that's one side of the story....the other side is that he had a career altering injury and wants to get the bigmax over the spurs concerns of durability. The spurs can't give the super max to a greg oden.we are not portland. Sometimes you have to take old yeller, your faithful pup, and put a bullet in him. I respect my team for holding the line and not giving into bullying and leaks.

    Kawhi could have appeared in friendly press. Because he didn't, it left pop, parkers , etc with the bag. Either kawhi is an adult and can handle his , or he's a baby and the team should pay him less.

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    Inb4 the slurpers say the Spurs deserve 0% of the blame.
    Disgusting.

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    and parkers remark didnt seem like a dig at all except to certain snowflakes

    the comparison between the two injuries had been made quite a bit, to illustrate how weird kawhis injury was and how you cant predict individual recovery times by how “bad” the injury appears superficially
    Agreed I didn't find anything offensive about what Parker said.

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    and parkers remark didnt seem like a dig at all except to certain snowflakes

    the comparison between the two injuries had been made quite a bit, to illustrate how weird kawhis injury was and how you cant predict individual recovery times by how “bad” the injury appears superficially
    Yep. If you actually watch the interview with TP it is obviously not a dig. But the press has jumped on it. Manu's remark is even less "cutting."

    This is one those excuses made when you want to end a relationship and need a reason. Even Pop's group remarks came out being asked a million questions. If KL would have been a normal person and addressed the media regularly, Pop and his teammates wouldn't have had to field all the questions and occasionally give answers Kawhi doesn't like.

    The Spurs weren't perfect, but trying to pin this on them is agenda driven by KL's camp.

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    From the article:

    Reports suggest Leonard's camp feels betrayed by the Spurs, although you don't need reporters to tell you there are problems since he's leaving $219 million on the table.

    Is there any corroboration that the Spurs actually offered (or would offer) Kawhi the $219 million SuperMax?

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    From the article:




    Is there any corroboration that the Spurs actually offered (or would offer) Kawhi the $219 million SuperMax?
    The fact that the whole article is a rehash of leaks leads me to believe the author is just spitballing.

    Also it would not be a surprise if the spurs say...we offered the big max if he could pass drills and shut down his crew and kawhi rejecting that. Both sides would then say that was/wasn't a true max offer because of the conditions

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    Kawhi, tbh.

    If you have problems with some things the franchise did, you speak up and work it out. You don't pout and leave at the first sign of trouble.

    Also, if the only reason he's leaving is because of problems with the Spurs, then he wouldn't be ing to go to LA.

    him and his fake humble, loyal act. ing stabbing .

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    The Spurs are better playing team ball than they are relying on one player who wants to play iso ball. I would prefer a return to the beautiful game.

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    The Spurs are better playing team ball than they are relying on one player who wants to play iso ball. I would prefer a return to the beautiful game.
    Kawhi doesn't want to play iso ball, that's LMA.

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    Kawhi, tbh.

    If you have problems with some things the franchise did, you speak up and work it out. You don't pout and leave at the first sign of trouble.

    Also, if the only reason he's leaving is because of problems with the Spurs, then he wouldn't be ing to go to LA.

    him and his fake humble, loyal act. ing stabbing .
    He's like the new Tony Parker.

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    Pop and his culture is very toxic. Not a good fit anymore. Him holding onto TP and Manu isn't a good thing.

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    Kawhi doesn't want to play iso ball, that's LMA.
    Do you watch the games tbh?

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    Do you watch the games tbh?
    Who requested a trade because he wasn't getting enough touches?

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    Just follow the money.

    Spurs great = meh money for Spurs and even less meh for the rest of the league
    Lakers great = cha-ching money for the Lakers and mini-cha-ching money for the rest of the league

    Great small market teams will have a long hiatus between peaks, and there will be very few of great small market teams

    Small market teams have historically been farms to find superstars for large market teams.

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    Pop and his culture is very toxic. Not a good fit anymore. Him holding onto TP and Manu isn't a good thing.
    Keeping Manu is fine. I cannot imagine any superstar who wouldn't want to be on the floor with Manu, who will get you the ball in your spots and create. Tony, on the other hand, is washed the up and should be traded. I think he lost his "loyalty" card when he ed Brent's wife.

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