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Ingram is a china doll with a PER of 13.8. If Ingram was a better player and had more upside than Tatum I'd trade Kawhi to the Lakers at the draft for him and Kuzma.
Ingram will be a better basketball player than Tatum (he already is), even so I would not trade with the Lakers (if that is Kawhi's desire)
Ingram is a china doll with a PER of 13.8. If Ingram was a better player and had more upside than Tatum I'd trade Kawhi to the Lakers at the draft for him and Kuzma.
I still want Fultz, think he has the highest upside of anyone on the table, higher than Doncic even. Plus he got over himself already with that rookie season.
Fultz Saric Covington + prospect (Korkmaz, Luwawu, Bolden?)
Saric can be the new Diaw and God knows the Spurs played their most amazing bball ever with Diaw... I'm a huge Diaw nostalgist so...
Anyway like someone said, need a prospect with MVP upside so to me it's only Doncic or Fultz centered offers. Don't think Brown qualifies, Tatum is great but too much like Iso Joe for me to love him...
I'm not going to disprove your answer based on PER (we'll have to wait and see), I'm sure of my belief about it, and still would not negotiate with the Lakers (simply because it's Kawhi's desire)
Im really "low" on fultz ...
I watched him play in the Pac 12 and nothing screamed special.
I would have argued the same about Mitc in the ACC to be fair and I watched all his games vs. Duke and UNC. DSJr .actually looked like teh better prospect in the ACC. ..so again the draft is a crapshoot.
Fultz can penetrate but so can Murray ... so not overly impressed.
I think suns can offer a better package if they were willing to trade ayton and another young prospect ...
since there was interest in Aldridge/KL by suns how about a blockbuster with them? #1 pick plus Jackson and future first?
yall dont like ayton you could take Doncic instead ...or even threaten to take doncic to get someting out of Sacto?
I kind of like Fultz's upside too, especially with Chip Engelland on the Spurs coaching staff. It would suck trading Leonard to one of his preferred destinations and building a superteam, but if you can't get a likely star like Tatum you might as well take a B level young player like Saric and swing for the fences with Fultz and pick #10. I can't imagine Philly would say no to that trade.
People here are forgetting how stingy Ainge can be. Also people need to keep in mind the same reasons why the Spurs may have been reluctant to offer the supermax will apply to any offer the team receives.
I would be shocked if Ainge was willing to deal Tatum, I'm not even sure he wants to trade Brown anymore. Boston has had a lot of opportunities to acquire top talent and they've been stingy (Jimmy Butler, PG etc.). With that being said there are still trade options with the draft picks they have and maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to go that route and get the specific guys the Spurs may want vs taking on a Brown (if available).
Something like Hayward, Grizzlies pick and the Philly/Kings pick for Kawhi and Mills/Gasol. Hayward is a decent replacement and signed long-term and those picks have the potential to have good value.
I still think Philly will be the most likely route though because they may be willing to offer more to try to get Kawhi as a lure for Lebron this offseason.
The irony what was KL best at in teh NBA besides defense?!
Iso mid-range game.
If you were ok with KL using iso mid range possesions why not a younger healthier version?
Seems like kind of a pipe dream IMO. I don't think Phoenix makes that trade knowing Leonard will walk in a year. Sacramento is incompetent enough to do it though.
Not saying Flutz wont be or is a bust, but i will always want a guy who will play with a chip on his shoulder. You will get maximum effort from those type of players.
if caps was not an issue I Would argue after tatum the best assets are the sacto and memphis picks but I sdont think a trade of tatum and their picks works. And as you said ainge will argue hayward/Horford/Kyrie still hold value.
Jimmy Butler isn't a HOF talent. He is a really nice player but he's nothing close to Leonard. If he lets Philly get Leonard the Celtics are perpetual bridesmaids in the conference.
I would absolutely take Tatum over LAC package. But I would take LAC over Ingram and Kuz.
You don't rebuild with a 28 YO non-franchise player who has peaked out. If you're getting a fraction of the value for Kawhi, you go with young players and picks, and hope that one breaks out like Kawhi did. Tatum is 20. Brown is 21.
PHX only happens if Kawhi says he will sign there. It won’t be a gamble unless Kawhi snakes PHX
If Kawhi doesn’t truly just have LA or bust mentality and see’s PHX as viable it’s a dream scenario if you have to lose Kawhi. Getting Jackson + Doncic would be about as good as you could hope for.
Go Kings Go.
Yea but Kawhi is coming off a season where he didn't even play 10 games. That certainly hurts his value, plus he only has 1 year left on his deal whereas Butler had 2 and was coming off a career season.
They wouldn't be rebuilding around Hayward, they would be rebuilding around the draft picks. Hayward is included for his value and cap purposes. They could trade him in another deal along with LMA if they decide to go full rebuild or see what a team with those two is able to accomplish. Also as I said I doubt Boston wants to trade Tatum and the offer was an alternative to trading for Brown since the Grizzlies pick may hold more value and the Kings pick could have good value as well.
But like others have mentioned the Spurs/Pop may want to avoid creating another superteam. If they were forced to, Philly may be the team because of the connection with Brown and Pop could use it as a passing of the torch when he eventually retires. I also think they would offer the best value.
It’s a great opportunity - I just dont know when this trade would need to be executed. I think in order to not have to take back too much salary it would need to wait until July 1 to be executed.
Trade partners in order of preference tbh:
PHX/SAC Pipedream > Boston > CLE > LAC > Philly > Lakers
To each his own. I would not. we will review in a few years.
Obviously you can play the well if we drafted them instead of clips card ...
buyt doesnt matter whomever is taken 12/13th
willing to make any of the following:
an avvy, signature or timed ELE bet they will not be better than Ingram/Kuz ... using not only PER but WS and Orating ... we can use the first two or three years as the baseline.
and I say this confidently knowing ingram had a doo-doo year one.
I’m not saying they WILL be better, Im saying Ingram is not so good that I would pass on the opportunity for SA to draft someone that could have a higher ceiling. There’s a downside to that too, but Ingram is not good enough to pass on the upside to me.
PHX: Josh Jackson + #1
SAC: Fox + #2
BOS: Tatum + pick or Brown + multiple picks
CLE: #8 + hopefully them routing Love to a third team for another lottery pick
PHI: Fultz, Covington + #10
LAC: Harris + #12 + #13
Lakers: Ingram + them working with other teams to get multiple other picks + 25th pick.
Why is Philly so low? They can make better offers than Cleveland or the Clippers.
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