I would also think there is a decent chance we hear about Danny’s player option decision today..
Man I have been telling you guys for months that this is exactly how this summer was going to play out: that Leonard would let it be known he'd only extend with the Lakers and as a result the Spurs wouldn't get anything worth a in trade offers. And hence why the Spurs shouldn't trade him and should just make him sit out the season. The Lakers have nothing worth taking in trade.
Trade to Clippers
Best way to do that is keep him. The Lakers would have to not only dump Deng next summer, but nearly every other serviceable player, young and old, on their roster to clear a MAX slot. It also would make Bron pause, because it wastes a year of his career. He and PG ain’t taking down the warriors.
But you have to get something
I'd still take a sledgehammer to my BMW before I'd sell it for $100.
How about this overall scenario:
Rudy & Danny & Joff opt out. Manu retires. BP3 waived. SA clears the deck on all their cap holds (give or take 1 or 2 players with small holds).
SA trades LMA to PHX for Josh Jackson - PHX is trying to win now and they seemed to like LMA, this allows SA to shed salary but also get a young wing Kawhi replacement.
SA trades Kawhi to LA involving MEM for Ingram + Parsons + #4 + #25
So SA clears the deck on everyone except Murray, White, Pau, Mills, Ingram, Jackson & Parsons. They have picks 4, 18 & 25.
You can either package picks to move up or stay put and try to get something for Mills if you can.
But core is now Murray, White, Josh Jackson, Ingram and 4th pick (say Jaren Jackson Jr or Mo Bamba).
The latest bit about telling teams to not trade for him because he'll sign with LA is the height of assholery and why the Spurs NEED to sit him out.
Because that's Kawhi's handholders truly ing with the Spurs in a malicious way and has to be paid back.
And also how you know Kawhi's 'injury' was bull and his concern over it is completely fake.
Because if you polled 100 people in the league and asked who had the best medical & training staff, 100 out of 100 would say Phoenix.
Nobody would say the Lakers. The Lakers just did their own up with Lonzo's leg.
If Kawhi's injury was that big a deal he'd ask to go to Phoenix: closer to home, he'd have their training staff, they'd have cap space, he'd have the ball as the main guy with Booker as his number 2, etc etc.
But it's all bull .
Burn him for it.
If Spurs can package Leonard and move up to get Bomba if he’s still available and other assets, say from the 76ers Fultz and Saric, I’d Pull that desk
This might be a good way to make the Kawhi for Jackson & trash trade even worse.
So the Spurs move Kawhi AND LMA for Jackson, Parsons, and the right to take who, Bamba or Wendell Carter and Grayson Allen?
No thanks for me
Same. Good analogy. I’d rather let him sit next season and not play and then let him walk in 2019 rather than trade him to the Lakers.. let him waste two years of his prime.
I'd still take a sledgehammer to my BMW before I'd sell it for $100.
Me too - if they could package 10 + 18 for 4 or 5, plus get Fultz/Saric that would be solid.
You wouldn’t trade Kawhi/LMA for Luka Doncic, Ingram and Josh Jackson right now?
I'd think about it, but not by himself and he's not lasting until 4 as I see it anyway
I also doubt Memphis would ever really dump #4 just to offload Parsons. Their weirdo owner has talked about getting back to 50 wins with this draft, and would probably stare at Chris Wallace long enough to make Wallace not sell 4 for cap relief.
If PHX offered 1, 16, Jackson and whatever filler crap was needed, that's worth it.
Then I could believe MEM willing to move down to 16 and take back Jackson in exchange for 4 and the Spurs taking Parsons
Walk away with Doncic and #4 to play with LMA? Absolutely.
Otherwise the team is heading into a downward spiral of anguish and it's worth it to keep Kawhi spinning for a year if they can't get FAIR value back. Not equal, FAIR. Kawhi is possibly the best player in the league when he's not faking and if Lebron fades slightly. Top 3 at least. His PER in the playoffs last year was like top 3 all-time post merger. He singlehandedly had the Spurs up 20 on the road against GS while his scrubby teammates were choking like crazy. He almost won a game by himself against Memphis in an all-time great performance. He was still easily the Spurs advanced stats leader this season even though he was out of shape and rusty and pre-occupied with how to screw the team over. His last 3 games in a Spur uniform he averaged 4 steals A GAME.
Don't trade the best player in the league for Jackson or Tobias Harris or other crap. It won't keep the team relevant and it won't feel good either.
perhaps in the "ideal world"
but in the real world, none of this will matter if he returns to play as before the injury, and if he really gets into a supertime and wins les in a "big market" he will be even more adored than before.
I hope he has a serious injury as soon as he gets on the court by another team, if all this information is true;
ps: Parker is an idiot, but Kawhi is disrespecting a franchise, and especially Popovich
I'd definitely trade Leonard to LA if I could get #4 and Ingram if RC has someone he loves at 4. Aldridge for Jackson seems ridiculous though, no way Phoenix is doing that trade.
If you do my proposed deal you get Jackson/Ingram which is a great young package overall for LMA/Kawhi. With picks 4, 18 & 25 I have no doubt in my mind you can move up to 2 or 3 and get Doncic if you so desired.
I think people underestimate how much PHX wants to win now. Jackson has such potential, but getting a proven All-NBA player under contract while keeping the number 1 pick and Booker??
I can see that being appealing for a team trying to make the jump to the playoffs NOW.
I don't think Jackson/Ingram is a great young package, sorry. I also wouldn't even have Jackson level with Ingram, not that I think they get you anywhere anyway.
And you still lose out on LMA. And hope that Atlanta or Sacramento take whatever the offer is.
Doesn't pass the smell test.
I don't think LA could make an offer that would get them Doncic on their own if they decided they wanted to go that way. But their offer that couldn't get Doncic can get Kawhi?
No thanks.
Why would they want Aldridge getting in Ayton's way? I don't see it.
I don’t see it as getting in his way at all. I see it as he’s a rookie, LMA is an all star/all nba and they can grow together and be a much more seasoned talented team now.
Yes, because SA would be willing to eat Parsons where LA wouldn’t, they can get Kawhi but not 4.
I mean, PHX is on record saying they would trade number one for a proven star (I’m sure they prefer younger) that is under contract. It shows you their mindset. If they can get that player but keep number one pick as well??
I think they'd much rather get Ayton his shots. They're expecting him to be their franchise bigman, not someone to defer to a guy on the wrong side of 30 who will be declining rapidly by the time Ayton is seasoned enough for them to be a playoff team.
My thought from a business perspective, no team at this point is willing to put forth thier best offers as in terms of talent for Kawhi since he will not commit to longer than a 1 season. Now my logic would tell me the longer you hold out the worse the deals will get down the line. So do you deal now or take the chance on getting less in return.
Or do you hold pat with Kiwi until the latest date possible too see where LBJ signs, then at that point trade him to the opposite side of the country thus avoiding have a Super Team from being built. You run the risk of getting less in return but you avlod another potential foe down the road, and this team will not be any worse off than this past season making it to the playoff's. So it is a win, win in my book.
Meh, doubt this is a huge factor for him at this point. Unlike Kawhi he has already proven himself to be a marketable guy on the National Level. He has a damn wide release motion picture coming out here soon. I don’t think it matters where he plays at this point.
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