Weird trade, they're going to bench Allen after a promising rookie season?
Hornets & Nets deal was unique because the 7 million Hornets saved for next season with this trade ( Howard 24 million - Mosgovs 16.7 million) will cut their tax bill next year. Hornets were willing to take two years of Mosgov to not be a tax payer. They likely had no takers for a Howard dump, so that's why the Nets got two 2nd rounders.
Wouldn't surprise me if he's just cut or bought out before the season. No need to have him poison the locker room with his nonsense.
Barring that, a post trade-deadline buyout.
also true, they were right at the tax but now can breathe a little.
Makes sense, would be strange to add a locker room cancer to a young team with a promising player at the same position..
you sign him to the worst contract of FA that year ...Yes, but maybe this is an outlier case because of how Kupchack must be really into Mozgov. Maybe Mitch thinks he fleeced Marks.:
And then you trade for teh same contract two/three years later?
Not sure if the "magic wand" is not only broken but Mozgoff has broken it off in Kupchak's ass.
I really hope Pop/RC hold onto Kawhi and force him to report to training camp or risk ruining his image/rep even further.
But you really got to think that they might want to cut the cancer as soon as possible. There are other decisions to be made based on the Leonard domino (Manu retiring, LMA, Pop's future, Danny, Porky, etc.).
Just knowing RC/Pop, they might not think it's fair to keep those guys waiting while this bull drama plays out.
I get that part but just a strange "look".
The Spurs should take care of the Spurs. Unless they are offered a foundational prospect, they are better off letting the player walk than weighing down their roster with expensive mediocre players just so they can say they got something. The player remains under contract. If he refuses to honor the terms of the contract, he will not be paid. Once his contract is over, he can sign a new one wherever he likes under the terms of the NBA CBA. Alternatively, he may negotiate a buyout if both parties can agree to terms.
That the end of his contract fails to align with the offseason in which his preferred destination has $61 million in cap space and two other elite players potentially willing to join him there is not the Spurs’ problem. They have no reason to accommodate his wishes, and his attempts to apply pressure through the media will fail and/or backfire.
What has come out in the news in the past day matches what has been rumored in this decaying Internet forum for several months. If posters here knew in February, then the Spurs organization has known longer. It is unlikely that they have no plan other than to play the chump.
That was one of my concerns with the just let him rot argument ...
Not only do you leave the team in limbo and place a dark cloud on teh team's future but you hamper the vision.
Spurs can take less frome someone else to spite the Lakers and even punich KL by sending him to a e franchise like Atlanta, memphis or sacto
Speaking of Memphis i hear some of the "big" prospects like bamba are refusing to work out for Grizz.
I wonder if it's these cats want to star right away (Gasol) or do rookies just hate Memphis?
It's remarkable just how far he has fallen.
Draft picks and young prospects like Tatum, Ingram Jackson are not expensive.
The Clippers would do 12, 13, and Tobias for Kawhi/Pau in a heartbeat by tomorrow's draft if Pop/RC called. And that's a better deal than having to take back trash like Kuz and Deng.
You really think Jerry West is in it for the long haul? He needs a star quick and i think the Clippers aren't scared off at all by Kawhi saying Lakers only.
Whatever happens between now and the end of tomorrow's draft is a big indicator of how this situation will play out tbh.
Sure, but there could be other teams doing the same as CHA. Also Pau doesn’t have a fully guaranteed 2nd year, so even without taking a year of someone to save them from LT, they also aren’t asking a team to take on a 2nd year like Moz either.
Also it was CHA that got 2 2nd rounders, not Nets.
i agree. IF leonard really has said lakers or no deal and IF the spurs cannot reach an agreement with leonard then, based on the paltry offering the spurs can get from LA, i would tell leonard to play out the season and see how he feels at the end of next year (if he lets the max deadline pass in october). if he walks, the cap space is likely a better scenario than having to pay a bunch of scrubs that have no shot at beating the warriors.
Not sure why you guys are hating on Kuz.
But I definitely agree that Deng is trash.
Hey if you like that deal, god bless sons.
Unless you plan to keep and extend Harris you basically trading KL for two first rounders.
none that are top 10.
Philly deal and potential Phx deals are better but doesnt matter to me. I Wanna keep ingram anyways and I like Kuz not as much but I think he can a high level 6th man or 4th/5th starter on a verry good team.. I see alot of Robert Horry in his game less defense but more offense.
Lakers need the trade to happen before free agency to get their big 3. Spurs in no rush. Basically, if LA can't get Kawhi traded before signing LeBron/PG, they won't have the money to form a super team. Then, Kawhi would have to go elsewhere and that would be tough. If you are LA, you can't pass up PG and Lebron for the risk of getting/not getting Kawhi.
Spurs should keep Kawhi and bring him to camp
And
Sign ZaZa to a minimum deal so he can finish what he started in training camp
Can he be suspended without pay if he doesn't show up to training camp? The nba needs to step in and suspend these players without pay for the year if they pull any of this fake injury crap because i want to go to a bigger market. People in the real world get sued and not paid if you don't honor your terms of the contract. These spoiled players shouldnt be any different.
The more i see of uncle denis holding kawards hand, the more i think he does have some sort of mental disability. He does look kind of chisqiado in the face. Was he in special ed growing up? This is not normal behavior for a sane 27 yr old man. His family is scared of leaving him alone with pop.
BTW I really like tatum even more than Ingram and waaay more than Jackson.
But I just dont get why Ainge, unless he has injury or re-signing concerns ...why he would not include Tatum in a KL deal?
I really like him but if KL is healthy as much as i like him and to bit less ingram bvery unlikely either guy will be as good as KL at his peak.
The reason I would say no if I were ainge is because Tatum has great upside and wil be cheaper.
But if celts are in win-now mode ...dont see why they would not.
As for Jaylen I would flip him in heartbeat for KL ...
Fair enough. I’ll revise the point — they shouldn’t waste their time acquiring prospects they don’t really want, or draft picks too low to get anyone they see as a foundational prospect, just to say they got something.
If the player really wants to sign with the Lakers this summer, perhaps he could forfeit the last year of his contract, reimburse the team for 89% of his 2017-18 salary given that he malingered most of the year, and offer up something on top for the trouble. Of course that’s not reality, since the ploy here was to force a trade so he could go to Los Angeles AND get paid as much as he can.
Watched a fair amount of Kuz since I'm in SoCal and it's Jordan Clarkson 2.0. He's a guy you can find in the late 20s if you are good enough (kudos to the Lakers for getting him late). And Deng cancels out any potential value that you get with Kuz.
So it's essentially Kawhi for Ingram who has shown flashes of being good but nothing star worthy. Probably a Josh Howard ceiling tbh.
I'd prefer the Spurs get some lottery picks and get a couple of chances to land a star player.
If we are to believe Woj is getting most of his info from the Spurs and Jabari/Sham are getting info from Kawhi's camp, then if you put the 2 "conflicting" reports together this is what I gather:
Pop met with Kawhi (possibly his camp too). Kawhi let him know he wants out. Pop tries to salvage the relationship. Kawhi blames the injury/Parker/lack of support and says it's over and he want to be traded. Pop discusses trade possibilities. Kawhi says he will only sign with LA, so there is no point in shopping him anywhere else. Meeting ends and Kawhi's camp tells media it was a great convo b/c from their side it was. Spurs drop the other side to ESPN to further show what a chump Kawhi is.
This is a complete standoff. It's a matter of which side will blink first. Is Kawhi really OK walking away from that much money (either the supermax or from an extension with a team trades for him)? Are the Spurs willing to take this into the season and see if they can work it out and potentially take it through next summer and call Kawhi's bluff?
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