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    KL not saying anything is all you know for sure.

    its on him.

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    Jabari

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    teams are free to trade players, players are free to request trades.
    If you are gonna request a trade, be a ing man about it. Essentially sitting out an entire season with an injury that miraculously "heals" once trade talks start up, staying behind closed doors while leaking stuff to the media through "your group", tanking your trade value by trying to force your way to one preferred destination...that is ty and shady tactics and any player in the league would rightfully be crucified for it.

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    i'll never understand the vitriol over him wanting to leave. you want him to put his desire second to yours? i don't think he was healthy enough to play this past season. the only thing he's gotten out of not playing is bad press that hasn't stopped.

    if wanted to go to golden state then i could see the hate.

    we all want kawhi to speak but TBH he has nothing to gain from it. he already has the leverage. him having to say "i'm almost healthy" again and again would only drive his value down.
    I'll tell you why everyone is pissed off about this damn mute! He's a coward! Act like a man and meet with Pop/RC straight up and ask for a trade that you want to go home! Instead this diva mute just allowed rumors to come out wanting a trade without having the manners to speak to Pop/RC! Never speaking to them first which is a move and then leaking out that he wants out of SA via that hack Jabari Parker! Don't get me started on that jackass! He's an ungrateful POS! The Spurs showcased this jackass above all of our players and made him what he is! He came to the Spurs raw with only defense as his mojo but they helped him with his offense and to make him the best two-way player and this is how he repays them? I am so sick of this ! The utter disrespect he's done to this organization and to Pop! After everything Pop was going through with his wife sick and this drama mute leaking he might come back before playoffs and when the team confronts him if he's coming back since mute can't talk to the Spurs but leak to the national media, well what do you expect? Pop having to answer questions by the media and not knowing anything since mute doesn't talk! Players frustrated as they wonder if he's coming back or not so they can plan for the playoffs! Then Pop's wife dies and this is ridiculous! Stupid mute is an idiot as that leach of an uncle is robbing him blind but I want the Spurs to not rush and take their time! Forget this ungrateful loser! Send his ass to the East!

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    Which is a good thing, since teams know Kawhi would have to take another discount to go to LA. Assuming PG13 and LeBron sign for max, once you figure in cap holds for empty roster spots under 12 the Lakers could offer Kawhi a 4 year, $130 million deal at most with the projected $108 million cap for 2019-20. Whatever team the Spurs trade him to (if they don't keep him) could offer 5 years, $179 million and other teams like the Clippers could offer 4 years, $139 million. If you make LA wait you also end the ability for the Lakers to stretch Deng, since his stretched salary would eat $7.36 million off the base salary they could pay Kawhi next summer, bringing their best offer to around 4 years, $99 million. So you'd be forcing Magic's hand into salary dumping one of Ingram or Ball this summer just to open up the space necessary to sign LeBron and PG13. The Lakers become much less of a threat IMO to other trade partners the Spurs could ship Kawhi off to if they lock LeBron and PG13 up. And if they don't sign them they wouldn't have salary dumped Ingram anyways, so I don't think the Spurs are any worse off waiting.
    I hope the Spurs braintrust shares this vision.

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    If you are gonna request a trade, be a ing man about it. Essentially sitting out an entire season with an injury that miraculously "heals" once trade talks start up, staying behind closed doors while leaking stuff to the media through "your group", tanking your trade value by trying to force your way to one preferred destination...that is ty and shady tactics and any player in the league would rightfully be crucified for it.
    Well said!

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    Not sure why you guys are hating on Kuz.
    But I definitely agree that Deng is trash.

    Hey if you like that deal, god bless sons.
    Unless you plan to keep and extend Harris you basically trading KL for two first rounders.
    none that are top 10.

    Philly deal and potential Phx deals are better but doesnt matter to me. I Wanna keep ingram anyways and I like Kuz not as much but I think he can a high level 6th man or 4th/5th starter on a verry good team.. I see alot of Robert Horry in his game less defense but more offense.
    Spurs have to mandate LouWill be part of that trade. Instead of or including Harris.

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    No need to rush, perhaps some team is desperate enough for a one year rental that a good return can be found.

    Given how this has played out and the apparent decision by Leonard to quit on the team at some point last season, the Spurs need to get the best deal they can and need to forget about parting on good terms.

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    Starting to think the Lakers might actually present a solid package for Kawhi. With Stephen A.’s report that Kawhi “wants to be in LA” and not necessarily just on the Lakers, if Magic thinks Jerry West and the Clippers are a legit threat to get Kawhi, that could strongly effect Lebron and PG’s decision to sign with the Lakers this Summer. Magic might start to panic a bit. PATFO are going to wait this out all the way til the beginning of the draft I bet to see which of LAL or LAC (or a surprise team) breaks and offers the best package.

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    if one team thinks they could beat gs or win it all they could make a bigger offer at trade dealine

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    If the Spurs feel they can get the pieces and Kawhi is 100%, is it worth getting a ring this year to start a rebuild next year?

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    Starting to think the Lakers might actually present a solid package for Kawhi. With Stephen A.’s report that Kawhi “wants to be in LA” and not necessarily just on the Lakers, if Magic thinks Jerry West and the Clippers are a legit threat to get Kawhi, that could strongly effect Lebron and PG’s decision to sign with the Lakers this Summer. Magic might start to panic a bit.
    I don't see how you get a good trade out of the Lakers. Ball is cancer and Ingram/Kuzma are B level prospects at best. There would have to be a three team trade with the third team for some reason being in love with Lolnzo.

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    If the Spurs feel they can get the pieces and Kawhi is 100%, is it worth getting a ring this year to start a rebuild next year?
    No. Kawhi will be traded tomorrow night, I’m almost sure of it. This has already become a huge distraction and I’m sure PATFO are over it. Plus we have other things to to figure out this offseason. Need to find the best package and move on.
    Last edited by BatManu20; 06-20-2018 at 02:29 PM.

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    What does that even mean, trade up or down, attaching it to a player, wanting a player.

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    If Lakers can somehow get a high pick, I would endorse getting BI & Kuzma. BI has a ton of potential imo.

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    If the Spurs feel they can get the pieces and Kawhi is 100%, is it worth getting a ring this year to start a rebuild next year?
    Leonard could just sit out the playoffs and the Spurs couldn't say since he will have already been paid his entire salary for the regular season. Not an option IMO.

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    Please, no more tweets from Jabari.

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    I don't see how you get a good trade out of the Lakers. Ball is cancer and Ingram/Kuzma are B level prospects at best. There would have to be a three team trade with the third team for some reason being in love with Lolnzo.
    That’s what I assume. Third team takes Lonzo and the Spurs either get a lottery pick or maybe Josh Jackson from PHX. They loved Lonzo coming out of the draft last year and Spurs were really high on Jackson.

    So Spurs would get Ingram, Kuzma, Lakers 25th pick, & lottery pick this season or Josh Jackson or Player X For Lonzo.

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    If the Spurs feel they can get the pieces and Kawhi is 100%, is it worth getting a ring this year to start a rebuild next year?
    Kawhi will have another season ending "injury" before training camp if he isn't traded.

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    Yeah what Kawhi wants all I know is Kawhi name is all over the internet with speculation on almost every team. Which is what I want lots of blood in the water sooner or later will land a keeper and ship his weak ass off.

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    The Spurs know what is going on, have for a while, unlike Leonard’s amateur hour team, aren’t showing their hand.

    Star players sign free agent contracts with different teams all the time. Players ask for trades all the time.

    What doesn’t happen all the time is for players with two years left on their contracts to fake injuries and sit out the season while collecting $19 million, then demanding an immediate trade to a specific destination and fabricating bull reasons why.

    If Kawhi just wanted to play for the Lakers, he could play out his contract and sign there in 2019. If he just wanted out of SA, he’d accept a trade to a number of teams.

    I think the plan was to back the Spurs into a corner and be so cancerous that they’d be glad just to get rid of him for Ingram, Kuzma, picks, and Luol Deng’s contract, so the Lakers would still have enough cap space to add LeBron and Paul George too. As though the Spurs would be suckered into helping build the next superteam, like some cucked husband settling for whatever tchotchkes his wife lets him take, while giving her the house, cars, bank accounts and half his paycheck in the divorce settlement because “it’s for the good of the kids” and “let’s just move on.” The Spurs aren’t frickin’ Blake.

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    Spurs have to mandate LouWill be part of that trade. Instead of or including Harris.
    Lou Williams 31 years old, destined to be a good player on a bad team, or a bench player. Harris is 25 and still has the potential with good coaching to be a top 10 player.

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    Please, no more tweets from Jabari.
    Lol! I love getting new updates on things right now but I feel you on this one. His tweets come with a bag of smelly poop.

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    Find a team in the East willing to do a stupid deal and dump him. He has the worst advisers ever he could get much more $ and eventually land where he wanted. Not playing for a playoff team down the stretch when he could've and claiming that one of the best franchises in the league in managing player health somehow didn't treat him right is just bush league nonsense. Yeah, your teammates are going to call you out on it.

    No matter what he says about only signing in LA next year, the reality is that money usually wins out and he'll figure out in time the corner his camp has painted him into.

    There's always GMs and coaches who think they can reach players. There's also a few East Conf teams who think they're one piece away from the Finals. In no way should the Spurs trade him to either LA team.

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    As a fan, it would be funny if the Spurs played this out until next season and sat Kawhi, but can't see Pop being petty in any way, doesn't seem like that type of man IMO..

    Clippers are definitely the best option that is realistic, despite their offer not being anything special..
    Pop HAS been that petty in the past. When Hank Egan retired only to later show up on Mike Brown's staff, Pop refused to even talk to him for YEARS.

    The man directly responsible for Pop's whole life and career was cut out savagely for the betrayal of changing his mind about retirement and helping out a young coach he had worked with.

    We need that Pop back. The man with fire in his gut, the man with principle.

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