Why Do We Need More People In This Country, Anyway? --->
Economists in league with big business got good at torturing data to “show” that immigration benefits the economy. But as demonstrated by Harvard University’s George Borjas, one of the nation’s leading economists on the topic, immigration is a net economic benefit to immigrants and to their employers. To workers already here, not so much.
The basic question remains. The pat answer over the past 20 years — “to do the jobs Americans just won’t do” — may seem to have some salience with a 3.9 percent unemployment rate. But that only further raises the question. After at least two decades of wage stagnation and even decline, now that we’ve finally reached the nirvana of full employment (and who knows how long it will last), why not take advantage of this tight labor market to raise wages across the board? Especially for the working and middle classes that got nowhere or even lost ground during the housing, finance and tech booms of recent years?
Just about everyone knows the answer: because the business community does not like tight labor markets and the concomitant necessity to raise wages. That’s bad for the bottom line. The solution? More workers! And so the Chamber of Commerce annex — a.k.a. Capitol Hill Republicans — dutifully attempt to do their donors’ bidding at the expense of their voters’ interests.
We know how more immigration benefits big business and the Democratic Party. No one has yet convincingly explained how it benefits the American people as a whole. That’s the foremost consideration that should drive our immigration debate, and that’s what should determine our immigration policy.
The quality of workers has been steadily deteriorating. You can't just say increase wages. An employee has to make the employer money. A up doesn't mean $100 wasted any more. A bad decision can mean $20k or$200k just as well. Good employees are ABSOLUTELY worth good wages. I know farm employees making $10/he that are overpaid. I also know one making $65k a and another (Mexican) $90k that may be under paid. Great welder, mechanic, competent tractor driver etc....
If the job market gets too tight (independent from Fed's other goal of inflation mgmt), wages start to rise (but no inflation), Fed will raise rates to kill a few 100K jobs, ACA, excess labor.
Capital requires that there always be an excess of Labor, and what Capital wants, Capitalist Tool the Fed delivers.
The founding fathers wanted it that way, that’s why. Unless you’re saying that the principles of the founding fathers are up for debate, in which case let’s talk immigrants and then guns.
??? the FFs were 100+ years before the wealthy created the Fed.
FFs wanted what? "that way"?
History for s, brought to you by slob.
Completely unprotected borders and free movement of human beings was one of the best things about the USA and we were justly admired for it. Until the 1920s we had very little immigration law, but what little we did was was racist to the bone. Its sequel would be too and would be studied by A. Hiedler...
Before that, we basically had open borders all the way back to the beginning. I doubt we'll get the reputation for being welcoming and free back anytime soon.
I remember when some local lakes had open gates 24 hours a day. Now you have to pay to enter and they close at dark. It seems people misused the lake and parks especially when no one was looking. There was an honor box up front that nighttime people would be requested to drop money into to cover the costs of cleaning the park in the morning. The boxes were damaged and stolen, and when they weren't there was rarely any money in them yet the lake shores were littered with beer cans and food bags along with whatever trash people didn't want in their vehicles, and fish remains from not using the cleaning station, using the shoreline instead and discarding the fish on the bank which attracted raccoons which further damaged the park resources.
When it gets to be too much, partly because degradation of "give a " and the increase in numbers create anonymity which seems to empower assholes to be themselves, rules change. Those changes not only affect the assholes, but the decent, law abiding people as well.
Same is true for the borders. There are well intended people trying to survive who get lumped in with the mass influx of coyote crops. They all get scooped up in one fell swoop and that's when individuals get separated from others. It's not desirable just as closing the gates to public lakes isn't desirable, but if you don't want a 3rd world existence you have to do something to avoid it.
That's a hearty anecdote. We've yet to see any proof chump believes that to any degree. Give us a number, Pavlov.
You're the one ranting about numbers, but you your pants when you are called out on them.
lol
Bro, I'm already singing with the choir. You're the one who has yet to state at what point illegal immigration will be a major problem. You gonna keep running, aren't you little ?
OK, what is your number, derp?Bro, I'm already singing with the choir. You're the one who has yet to state at what point illegal immigration will be a major problem. You gonna keep running, aren't you little ?
Step up or back down, your pants and cry again.
I don't have a number. That number was passed long ago. What's your number?
exactly
You done backed down and yourself again.
All that's left for you is to whine about it.
Go head and get that over with.
lol
The US survived a much larger influx from 1980-2000.
Why is the largest US law enforcement corps ever tasked with beating a problem that is significantly smaller?
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I never claimed I had a number.
You done backed down and yourself again.
All that's left for you is to whine about it.
Go head and get that over with.
lolYou get so fast into your false narratives that you don't know what's what.
Every thread here MUST be some argument, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~
Who gives a how many people are here or aren't here, big damn deal. How will that change my life in any way, yep...it won't.
The first president I can remember was Eisenhower. I have never noticed any dramatic changes at all because of a different president. It was never...WOW THIS IS GREAT...or...OH NO THIS SUCKS.
Some of really do have a hard time with others don't ya?
So you don't even have a number now?I never claimed I had a number.
You just came to terms about ting your pants again.
If you weren't throwing a tantrum, you'd know that I never claimed a number. You were so eager to run from a question that you forget I'm the one who asked it. Sad. Par.So you don't even have a number now?
You just came to terms about ting your pants again.
"there was a study" recently that showed correlation between high rents and lower birth rates
So don't demand numbers from others.
Simple.
The First Amendment made it clear written into the Cons ution in by the Founding Fathers that everything is up for debate.
Why is is applicable to me and not you? Explain why you can't be expected to discuss anything or have any thoughts or opinions ever. Thanks.
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