Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[cd021]

That would be a good move if they can keep Lebron. I wonder if that would be enough to make Philly or Boston want to pony up for Kawhi though.

It could cause a ripple effect;

-Cavs and Charlotte swap Hill, Zizic, Sexton and Osman for Batum and Walker.

-Cavs improve with a big 3 of Walker, Lebron, and Love with a better supporting cast than the trash they had to rely on last year)

-Charlotte drops from being 10th or 11th to being a bottom 5 team

-With Lebron possibly staying in L.A., PG-13 rethinks leaving and decides to stay with Westbrook in OKC.

-Without others stars in L.A, Kawhi and Uncle Dennis become more open to signing re-signing with the Eastern conference team that the Spurs trade possibly trade him to.

-Philly and Boston both go hard after Kawhi with Lebron and PG-13 off the market, and believing that they can end the Cavs streak of NBA finals appearance. Spurs can play them against each other, to get the best deal.

-Boston dangles Hayward, Brown and a top 1 protected 2019 Kings pick and PATFO ships Kawhi's ass out to Boston.

-Spurs compete, and probably get a top 4 seed in the west while the Kings are one of the worst teams, securing the Spurs a top 5 pick and the 23rd-25th pick and potentially allowing for the Spurs to package the two together and move up into the top 3 for franchise level player.


who knows, not entirely out of the question...

[Mr. Body]

I’d also bug uncle Dennis, Magic and Jeannie Buss’s phones and nail the collaborating SOBs to the wall. I’m praying they already have the goods on the Lakers and are just holding back to see how this resolves itself.

I wonder if there is evidence already. The Spurs shut them down right quick, apparently.

[exstatic]

exactly- if his mind is made up, id trade him. the litmus test is where they send him. sadly, there’s not much option for san antonio. if they really want to stick it to the guy one last time, id send him to charlotte and play for one of the worse owner in the league (in terms of moral and ethics ) but in all honesty, the spurs shouldn’t limit themselves in this useless “conference “ argument, especially since there’s talks of a possible 1-16 playoff format.

If they really want to stick it to him, and the offers are garbage, just keep him, send him home so he’s not around the team, and let him roll off in FA. If you flip him to NBA he’ll, there’s a chance that team will flip him to the Lakers s before the deadline.

[picnroll]

gleague Leonard welcome to bus rides and Denny’s restaurants. Gotta rehab that quad after all.

[BackHome]

I was watching one episode were they we’re talking about how the front office suddenly put out collusion warning to all Flaker employees right before draft. They have been caught twice recently putting there hands in the cookie jar also it seemed like certain Flaker players Bryon Scottt had inside info that Kawhi was coming to the Flakers.

Add to the fact your not hearing as much chatter from the Flakers mouth pieces lends me to think Pop busted them

[Mugen]

tampering happens throughout the league, every team likely does it. The Lakers are just the ones stupid enough to regularly get caught

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Fact is days before the draft Woj and Shelburne did an ESPN story about telling teams that he would only sign with Lakers. His trade value was already murdered by Kawhi and his group.

He can be gone. But the franchise should have some self respect. I would be thrilled if they sit him all year, going to cost him tens of millions.

[rasuo214]

Were the Lakers constantly asked about Deng?

All you have to say is that Leonard is not part of your immediate plans and is sitting in favor of the young players while a suitable trade for both sides is worked out. Except you dont actually have to be working on a trade.

Again I say, sit his ass. Then trade him at the deadline to the least desirable place you can to a team that's in a playoff hunt, knowing when he leaves he's costing himself millions more.

Win. Profit.

Deng is not a top 5 player in the NBA. No one gives a about him anymore and probably forgot he was still in the NBA. He could demand a trade today and it would barely get any media coverage.

So if that is your best example, I'm sorry to tell you that it's an awful one. There is already a media storm regarding the situation now, it won't get any better if they decide to sit him no matter what excuse they come up with. ESPN would be running stories non-stop about the situation.

No team would trade much for him after forcing him to sit out most of the season. There would only be 2 months left and he would not be in game shape at all. It would be a offer that included a contract.

Ruin the Spurs reputation just to be vindictive isn't a win, nor do they profit. It's a lose-lose for both sides.

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tampering happens throughout the league, every team likely does it. The Lakers are just the ones stupid enough to regularly get caught

Lakers and Leonards’ group have taken tampering to a new level. Have to believe NBA owners can’t be too happy about the precedent set.

[spurs1990]

-Philly and Boston both go hard after Kawhi with Lebron and PG-13 off the market, and believing that they can

-Boston dangles Hayward, Brown and a top 1 protected 2019 Kings pick and PATFO ships Kawhi's ass out to Boston.

-Spurs compete, and probably get a top 4 seed in the west while the Kings are one of the worst teams, securing the Spurs a top 5 pick and the 23rd-25th pick and potentially allowing for the Spurs to package the two together and move up into the top 3 for franchise level player.


who knows, not entirely out of the question...

This is it. This is the ideal package that SA should gun for. The ceiling with Brown could be mountainous and he’s a solid character and heady player for the Org. Heyward evens out the salary difference and may never reach his previous level but that alone should allow Boston to include him in the deal. And then the prize of Sac 2019 first which most assuredly will be high considering that moribund franchise.

Boston would have Irving, Tatum, and Leonard to contend with and that should get you out of the east next year and win a couple games vs GS.

Really hope this is what we see come training camp.

[rasuo214]

It could cause a ripple effect;

-Cavs and Charlotte swap Hill, Zizic, Sexton and Osman for Batum and Walker.

-Cavs improve with a big 3 of Walker, Lebron, and Love with a better supporting cast than the trash they had to rely on last year)

-Charlotte drops from being 10th or 11th to being a bottom 5 team

-With Lebron possibly staying in L.A., PG-13 rethinks leaving and decides to stay with Westbrook in OKC.

-Without others stars in L.A, Kawhi and Uncle Dennis become more open to signing re-signing with the Eastern conference team that the Spurs trade possibly trade him to.

-Philly and Boston both go hard after Kawhi with Lebron and PG-13 off the market, and believing that they can end the Cavs streak of NBA finals appearance. Spurs can play them against each other, to get the best deal.

-Boston dangles Hayward, Brown and a top 1 protected 2019 Kings pick and PATFO ships Kawhi's ass out to Boston.

-Spurs compete, and probably get a top 4 seed in the west while the Kings are one of the worst teams, securing the Spurs a top 5 pick and the 23rd-25th pick and potentially allowing for the Spurs to package the two together and move up into the top 3 for franchise level player.


who knows, not entirely out of the question...

The problem is Ainge is stingy and he really loves Brown and Tatum. He might be confident enough to think that his team is good enough as is to beat the Cavs even with Kemba. They took the Cavs to 7 games without Kyrie or Hayward and their young players are expected to improve.

I think the most threatening to Boston would be if Philly gets Kawhi and Lebron. A core of Lebron, Kawhi, Simmons and Embiid would be terrifying in the short and long term. The Spurs might need to leak rumors about a deal to Philly to get the ball rolling.

[Mugen]

Philly makes the most sense if RC/Pop don't cave to the Lakers tbh.

I'd be fine with it as long as we don't get Covington back, i want no part of that contract.

[Mr. Body]

This is it. This is the ideal package that SA should gun for. The ceiling with Brown could be mountainous and he’s a solid character and heady player for the Org. Heyward evens out the salary difference and may never reach his previous level but that alone should allow Boston to include him in the deal. And then the prize of Sac 2019 first which most assuredly will be high considering that moribund franchise.

Boston would have Irving, Tatum, and Leonard to contend with and that should get you out of the east next year and win a couple games vs GS.

Really hope this is what we see come training camp.

That Hayward contract is horrible, though.

[cd021]

This is it. This is the ideal package that SA should gun for. The ceiling with Brown could be mountainous and he’s a solid character and heady player for the Org. Heyward evens out the salary difference and may never reach his previous level but that alone should allow Boston to include him in the deal. And then the prize of Sac 2019 first which most assuredly will be high considering that moribund franchise.

Boston would have Irving, Tatum, and Leonard to contend with and that should get you out of the east next year and win a couple games vs GS.

Really hope this is what we see come training camp.

Chinook first mentioned a trade idea for Kawhi Gasol for Hayward and Brown + the Kings picks. I think that is both relatively realistic though Boston may hard ball and make PATFO choose between Brown and the Kings pick.

That Kings pick, the more I think about, could easily be 3-5 instead of 5-8. Of the teams with the top 5 picks in this past draft (Phoenix, Sac., Atlanta, Memphis, and Dallas) Atlanta and Dallas are the two teams that are most likely to be about the same in terms of wins and losses next season-Chicago and Orlando could also be in that mix for the top of the draft too.

[cd021]

That Hayward contract is horrible, though.

It's a max deal to an all-star who just turned 28, it's far from horrible.

You're acting like it's Batum's deal. He'll be making about 30% of the cap for the next three seasons. If Brown were to be apart of the deal, the Spurs would still have Murray and Brown on rookie deals for two of those seasons before hitting RFA in 2020, the same off season in which Aldridge's extension expires.

[Mr. Body]

It's a max deal to an all-star who just turned 28, it's far from horrible.

You're acting like it's Batum's deal. He'll be making about 30% of the cap for the next three seasons. If Brown were to be apart of the deal, the Spurs would still have Murray and Brown on rookie deals for two of those seasons before hitting RFA in 2020, the same off season in which Aldridge's extension expires.

I might still be thinking in terms of old contract amounts before the cap jumped. It still seems like a ton for a complementary player. I like Hayward, though.

[spursfaninla]

and i don't think the lakers is KL’s preferred team if im being honest here. seems like a bargaining tactic since uncle knows the spurs would never, ever trade him to that franchise. nothing in leonards personality screams “lakers”. he hates the spotlight and he’d be the worst fit, in terms of personality and if they simply want $, SAS is the only team that can offer him a Supermax, the Lakers and “i just want to be home” angle just never seemed authentic to me.


i think after their situation with the franchise turned sour, his uncle’s plan all along was to send him east.

This has to be the most convoluted NBA-related conspiracy theory I can think of in recent memory.

So, if you are Kawhi's representation, and you want the Spurs to ship Kawhi to the East, you tell them Kawhi will only sign with the Lakers, and will tell every other team that?

This only makes sense as a tactic if the Spurs are mindlessly bending to reverse psychology, right? Spurs: lets spite them and give them the opposite of what they want!

Ok.

The Spurs want him East not because its the opposite of what kawhi wants, and not to spite him, (but that is a bonus since hes been a ).

Its because its best for them for multiple reasons.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I don't think Kawhi has really thought this thing out. In San Antonio he is basically protected. Media coverage in SA is like a 3-5 mph breeze on a late summer evening. In a place like Los Angeles he'll be inside an EF 5 tornado. He'll be miserable. As far as endorsements are concerned he'll need to set the league on fire and develop a much more outgoing personality. Right now he couldn't sell ice cones to people living in the Mojave desert.

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And at that point we make sure he ends up in Atlanta or Chicago

I like this guy. You remind me of me.

[RsxPiimp]

And this nonsense about not caring about money — BS. Whatever he might lose between the supermax in SA and an extension in LA would more than be made up on the shoe contract in the #2 market on a super-team..

i often read this but im not sure if there’s any truth to it. it has been proven that market size is irrelevant in sheer sales volume. kyrie, followed by lebron had the best selling signature basketball shoes in 2017.

KL isn’t going to magically start selling more sneakers in LA. fans are attracted to dynamic athletes with personality, regardless of their location. also worth noting that Jordan Brand repped athletes usually have a poor sales track record.

[Dex]

i often read this but im not sure if there’s any truth to it. it has been proven that market size is irrelevant in sheer sales volume. kyrie, followed by lebron had the best selling signature basketball shoes in 2017.

KL isn’t going to magically start selling more sneakers in LA. fans are attracted to dynamic athletes with personality, regardless of their location. also worth noting that Jordan Brand repped athletes usually have a poor sales track record.

That's why this whole ploy by Kawhi's group is re ed. Going to a bigger market isn't going to magically make Kawhi marketable unless he changes his personality overnight (hint: he won't). Especially if he goes to a superteam where he is fighting guys like Lebron, George, or Paul for the limelight.

He was doing just fine with his Jordan marketing (easily the biggest Spurs push since Duncan's Adidas deal) until his dumbass uncle balked at their offer. Does he really think that if Kawhi puts on a Laker jersey, they are suddenly going to open the checkbook again after he snubbed them?

You know what would make Kawhi profitable? Him becoming MVP or leading his homegrown team to the Finals. Or, you know...signing a ing supermax contract.

[spurraider21]

If the Boston package includes a Gasol/Hayward swap I’m down tbh

[RsxPiimp]

This has to be the most convoluted NBA-related conspiracy theory I can think of in recent memory.

So, if you are Kawhi's representation, and you want the Spurs to ship Kawhi to the East, you tell them Kawhi will only sign with the Lakers, and will tell every other team that?

This only makes sense as a tactic if the Spurs are mindlessly bending to reverse psychology, right? Spurs: lets spite them and give them the opposite of what they want!

Ok.

The Spurs want him East not because its the opposite of what kawhi wants, and not to spite him, (but that is a bonus since hes been a ).

Its because its best for them for multiple reasons.

no need to analyze it, just a baseless theory on my end. im still dubious with the “i want to come home and play for the lakers” angle.

[RsxPiimp]

That's why this whole ploy by Kawhi's group is re ed. Going to a bigger market isn't going to magically make Kawhi marketable unless he changes his personality overnight (hint: he won't). Especially if he goes to a superteam where he is fighting guys like Lebron, George, or Paul for the limelight.

He was doing just fine with his Jordan marketing (easily the biggest Spurs push since Duncan's Adidas deal) until his dumbass uncle balked at their offer. Does he really think that if Kawhi puts on a Laker jersey, they are suddenly going to open the checkbook again after he snubbed them?

You know what would make Kawhi profitable? Him becoming MVP or leading his homegrown team to the Finals. Or, you know...signing a ing supermax contract.

bingo^

[RD2191]

You guys are underestimating the power of the Lakers bandwagon. If Kawhi joins the Lakers he'll easily be top 2 or 3 in jersey sales.