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    Ppl saying Kawhi is at fault for not saying anything, as if the Spurs camp has been overly talkative... Both have been silent, and probably by design

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    Ppl saying Kawhi is at fault for not saying anything, as if the Spurs camp has been overly talkative... Both have been silent, and probably by design
    The Spurs always keep things in house. , Tony screwing Brent Barry's wife would have been major news for months on any other team.

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    Ppl saying Kawhi is at fault for not saying anything, as if the Spurs camp has been overly talkative... Both have been silent, and probably by design
    You finding a new team?

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    As a longtime Spurs fan Bowen is one of my top 5 Spurs ever. His defense was truly special and he could guard a huge range of players. I remember having great seat at a Blazers game around 2006 and seeing him shut down Brandon Roy and Zack Randolph when needed. He also shot over 40% 3 pt not only in the regular season but also in the playoffs like clockwork.

    Now you've seen more and more players and others saying things against Leonard. As a Spurs fan for life I'm not going to side with him over Bowen, Ginobili, Parker, Popovich etc. I hope they work things out. If I was PATFO I would make him play next year and then trade him to an Eastern Confrrence contender midseason. If he he refuses to play his value will continue to decline and his skills deteriorate. If he plays well the Spurs could play him of try to make a playoff run. If they were to win a championship next year all might be forgiven.

    Besides all that I actually think Leonard will always have injury problems and his best is already in the past.
    Agree.

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    The Spurs always keep things in house. , Tony screwing Brent Barry's wife would have been major news for months on any other team.
    He never did
    He would have been traded

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    He never did
    He would have been traded
    seriously, ducks?

    from the team’s perspective, confirmed double-marriage-busting sexting has gotta be = to double-marriage-busting sexing


    and noone can convince me that tony didnt tap that when he obviously had the chance

    sorry barry i love you as a player and personality but cmon

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    The Spurs always keep things in house. , Tony screwing Brent Barry's wife would have been major news for months on any other team.
    Can people ing parroting this around????????

    How many times are people going to ing say this as fact??????????? If he screwed Brent's wife HE WOULD NOT have still been on the team. Pop wouldn't have allowed him to remain on the team and I think TD wouldn't have wanted him there either.

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    Bruce is expecting too much There's nothing in Kawhi's makeup to say he's a team leader. He's shown he's a puppet to his uncle at this point.

    He can be a stat leader...no doubt. But he's not going to motivate or inspire. He's proven he's either not ready for that role, or just doesn't care to be, or is just incapable of being that guy (which is my belief). He'll make a great Pippen to some team's Jordan though. A great supporting piece to a giant ego somewhere, because Kawhi will just play the game and go home and stay out of the real leader's way. Team him with Lebron and some spot up shooters and they'll win three or four rings together.
    Pippen role? Nah...KD isn't a leader and didn't take a Pippen role in GSW.

    I doubt that Harden cares about his teammates or motivate/inspire theam...I doubt CP3 cares about the franchise he plays for...I wouldn't call them positive leaders.

    Bowen just talks about leadership because that's the only thing that he can say about Kawhi.

    Tim Duncan was the last team-leader. I love Dirk but he wasn't exactly that guy in the locker room during his prime.

    Leadership is overrated by Spurs fans, if we see other fanbases, they care about players that help them to win. Kawhi helped us to win a ring and many playoffs games, that should have been enough.

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    Kawhi can’t wipe his own ass nor can he actually talk it seems. He has been mind ed by Uncle Fester
    but ur more then welcome to join his Ass cleaning crew “the great yacht, tholden, Rd”. Change Kawhi name to KY.

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    Kawhi can’t wipe his own ass nor can he actually talk it seems. He has been mind ed by Uncle Fester
    but ur more then welcome to join his Ass cleaning crew “the great yacht, tholden, Rd”. Change Kawhi name to KY.
    Go home son.

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    Don’t be bitter Rob u know the saying “ Behind every cloud there is a silver lining”.

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    Yup that's what 90's Knicks used to do when it came to fouling. They would dare the refs to call every foul and eventually the refs would let things go.
    NBA Generation SJW Snowflake couldnt handle that. They would have curry and durant doing PSA commercials about 'bullies and meanies'.

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    U weren't saying that when he was dominating against the best players and best team in the league tho... How sour are those grapes?
    Don't get me wrong. I think he's a great basketball player. You don't have to be a leader to be great at playing a sport.


    If a team doesn't need their best player to be a leader, as some have said, then I would say he's perfect......if he shows up.

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    Pippen role? Nah...KD isn't a leader and didn't take a Pippen role in GSW.

    I doubt that Harden cares about his teammates or motivate/inspire theam...I doubt CP3 cares about the franchise he plays for...I wouldn't call them positive leaders.

    Bowen just talks about leadership because that's the only thing that he can say about Kawhi.

    Tim Duncan was the last team-leader. I love Dirk but he wasn't exactly that guy in the locker room during his prime.

    Leadership is overrated by Spurs fans, if we see other fanbases, they care about players that help them to win. Kawhi helped us to win a ring and many playoffs games, that should have been enough.

    You might be right...I don't really know for sure. It seems, though, that most dynastic teams have had a personality, motivation and/or inspiration from their guys at the top. Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, Jordan, Magic, etc. I do think a team needs some form of leadership to truly get to the next level. A collection of talent, no matter how good, needs someone pulling it all together. And in today's NBA that's certainly not the coach. Role players don't command enough respect in most cases. That kind of leaves the guys who can fill the stat sheet.

    The Warriors seem to be breaking that mold a bit, because I'm not sure who the outright "leader" is. Perhaps it's by committee for them, which might be what the Spurs could emulate.

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    You might be right...I don't really know for sure. It seems, though, that most dynastic teams have had a personality, motivation and/or inspiration from their guys at the top. Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, Jordan, Magic, etc. I do think a team needs some form of leadership to truly get to the next level. A collection of talent, no matter how good, needs someone pulling it all together. And in today's NBA that's certainly not the coach. Role players don't command enough respect in most cases. That kind of leaves the guys who can fill the stat sheet.

    The Warriors seem to be breaking that mold a bit, because I'm not sure who the outright "leader" is. Perhaps it's by committee for them, which might be what the Spurs could emulate.
    Draymond Green is the leader of the Warriors and he's a role player.

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    You might be right...I don't really know for sure. It seems, though, that most dynastic teams have had a personality, motivation and/or inspiration from their guys at the top. Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, Jordan, Magic, etc. I do think a team needs some form of leadership to truly get to the next level. A collection of talent, no matter how good, needs someone pulling it all together. And in today's NBA that's certainly not the coach. Role players don't command enough respect in most cases. That kind of leaves the guys who can fill the stat sheet.

    The Warriors seem to be breaking that mold a bit, because I'm not sure who the outright "leader" is. Perhaps it's by committee for them, which might be what the Spurs could emulate.
    The nba is so hard up for talent it is embarassing

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    Ppl saying Kawhi is at fault for not saying anything, as if the Spurs camp has been overly talkative... Both have been silent, and probably by design
    The Spurs always keep things in house. , Tony screwing Brent Barry's wife would have been major news for months on any other team.
    spurs fans, ahem, white people, statements the past few years AND this season.

    The past 10 years or so : "The Spurs are a classy organization. Nothing ever leaks out and that's great that we don't have too many talkative players on our team. Tim was quiet and so is Leonard. We need more of that in the league. "

    This season: "WHY IS THAT ****** REFUSING TO TALK???? GET THAT MUTE/RE /AUTISTIC QUIET PLAYER THE OFF MY TEAM!!"

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    You might be right...I don't really know for sure. It seems, though, that most dynastic teams have had a personality, motivation and/or inspiration from their guys at the top. Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, Jordan, Magic, etc. I do think a team needs some form of leadership to truly get to the next level. A collection of talent, no matter how good, needs someone pulling it all together. And in today's NBA that's certainly not the coach. Role players don't command enough respect in most cases. That kind of leaves the guys who can fill the stat sheet.

    The Warriors seem to be breaking that mold a bit, because I'm not sure who the outright "leader" is. Perhaps it's by committee for them, which might be what the Spurs could emulate.
    I don't think anybody ever considered Shaq or Kobe to be good leaders, and I'd question whether Jordan was ever a good leader..Phil Jackson's strongest attribute was his leadership, he wasn't a particularly great coach, I'd say he was their leader..

    Most teams that win les are full of veterans, they don't really need leadership unless there are some questionable people in the locker room that need direction IMO..

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    Stephen A ripping Kawhi a new one on First Take. Thank you Stephen A.

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    Stephen A ripping Kawhi a new one on First Take. Thank you Stephen A.
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    Can people ing parroting this around????????

    How many times are people going to ing say this as fact??????????? If he screwed Brent's wife HE WOULD NOT have still been on the team. Pop wouldn't have allowed him to remain on the team and I think TD wouldn't have wanted him there either.
    They exchanged inappropriate text messages and had gotten emotionally involved. Supposedly nothing physical happened. The rumors were that the Barrys were splitting up anyway, but that the fling had a lot to do with why Parker and Eva Longoria got divorced.

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    You might be right...I don't really know for sure. It seems, though, that most dynastic teams have had a personality, motivation and/or inspiration from their guys at the top. Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, Jordan, Magic, etc. I do think a team needs some form of leadership to truly get to the next level. A collection of talent, no matter how good, needs someone pulling it all together. And in today's NBA that's certainly not the coach. Role players don't command enough respect in most cases. That kind of leaves the guys who can fill the stat sheet.

    The Warriors seem to be breaking that mold a bit, because I'm not sure who the outright "leader" is. Perhaps it's by committee for them, which might be what the Spurs could emulate.
    Raymond has been the leader... Whether it's acknowledged or not. Klay and Curry could always shoot but GSW didn't become what they are until Raymond grew up and developed as a player. I'll give him that much credit. He couldn't do what he does anywhere else but he complements their stars and has the compe ive drive to step on necks when he has to.

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    They exchanged inappropriate text messages and had gotten emotionally involved. Supposedly nothing physical happened. The rumors were that the Barrys were splitting up anyway, but that the fling had a lot to do with why Parker and Eva Longoria got divorced.
    Erin Barry was 10 times hotter than Eva Longoria. Cant blame Tony if she put it out there.

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    They exchanged inappropriate text messages and had gotten emotionally involved. Supposedly nothing physical happened. The rumors were that the Barrys were splitting up anyway, but that the fling had a lot to do with why Parker and Eva Longoria got divorced.
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