I'm talking about the Celtics calling his bluff to play for a championship level team, and then trading him to LA if he refuses, pouts, etc.
They'd lose brown but gain Ingram,. That's a tolerable gamble for even a tight ass like ainge.
...and gift Kawhi to their hated rival, making their own path to a championship that much harder. I don't see it.
I agree. There’s a principle — the supermax was put in there by ownership so teams could keep their superstar free agents. If owners don’t want to offer it, then they shouldn’t be surprised when they lose their superstar free agents.
If Kawhi hadn’t pulled the injury crap, he and the Spurs would have worked out a deal where he went to Boston or Philadelphia and got an extension there, which is probably what will happen anyway.
Maybe he figured that once he lost trust, he might as well take a gander at that LA caper. It’s not right, though. At day’s end you have to be true to yourself, and that means preserving your own integrity, not chasing what feels good.
Those deals that you're ing about are the way that the Spurs take care of their own. They'll get you on the flipside what they cannot pay you up front. It's always been that way and will always be that way, and they would have taken care of Kawhi the same way, because that's who they are.
Those deals also have nothing to do with offering, not offering, or offering a lesser version of the SuperMax. In the five full seasons before his hold out last year, he averaged ~ 67 games played. That's a bit over 81%, and much less than you want from your franchise cornerstone. He's a china doll. If they offered him 85% of the SM, he should have taken it and been happy. That's about the percentage of games he'll play.
this thread may break the record for the number of times the word "if" was used.
What happens if it does?
that, offering the supermax shouldnt have even been in doubt if we're talking the summer of 2017. I really hope the front office wasn't stupid enough to ask a guy entering his prime to take a paycut in today's NBA.
Franchise players won't accept less than the supermax in next seasons, that's a fact.
More teams are reluctant to give the supermax deals and more players think it's their right to have it.
When the supermax is denied, a trade is imminent.
That happened with Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Demarcus Cousins... There is no way that the teams could keep their players after they denied the supermax.
I guess we will see this a lot in next seasons, the league tried to give teams a tool to retain their franchise players but now, it has become the problem for small teams not the solution.
Also, players aren't that stupid, there are teams like Celtics or GSW that have 2 or 3 max contracts without issues. Boston has Kyrie and Hayward in max contracts, the latter means 30% of their salary cap when supermax is 35%...Only 5% of difference. That could makes a player think some owners are cheaper than others.
Losing Butler and Cousins due to money was the right call. They're not worth it. Losing Harden and Kawhi (if healthy and not a headcase) due to money is not the right call.
If they did that before all this broke out. It's mostly on them, but if that is correct, Kawhi shouldn't have followed that up by acting the way he has since.
Like the Pels would use this some with AD...It's not a good idea to try to low ball your franchise player.
"Well...we'll pay you just the % of games that you..."
If that's the issue with an injury-player prone, you offer the supermax with some injury-clause "ala Embiid" but don't deny the deal.
I suspect the Spurs know Magic and the Lakers colluded and aren't standing for it. The principle is bigger than basketball. You don't let a player sit on his ass to force a trade to a favored team. No way.
Losing Butler and Cousins due to money was the right call. They're not worth it. Losing Harden and Kawhi (if healthy and not a headcase) due to money is not the right call.
Cheaping out on Kawhi is a pretty good first step to getting the Sonics back at least
Oh oh so true. It boggles my mind to see how many in here don’t even think twice about giving Kawhi the Supermax. Not that he’s not worth it, but it puts such a huge restriction on who you can add in the future.
What's being cheap about asking a traitor to redeem himself? By all accounts the supermax is on the table, if kathi kisses the ring. He won't do it now, v the Spurs are waiting on the Lakers to make a move before applying more pressure. the cancer honestly.
I can't figure if Kawhi's camp is just trying get leverage on the supermax. They probably want a no trade clause too. I'm done trying to figure it out and I still maintain that we should continue to try to retain him even if he walks next summer.
It wasn’t unreasonable for him to expect it when they started talking about it last year. Whether the Spurs want to offer it or not is up to them. The reality, though, is that they either offer the supermax or trade the player, and if they trade they’ll never get close to equal return.
It’s not the players’ problem that the owners put a clause in the CBA that backfired on small-market teams.
It’s still nowhere near an excuse for Kawhi’s behavior, but the Spurs aren’t en led to a discount.
Bingo. Well put.
You think that would go down any easier with his group? I don't.
I haven't seen one legitimate sauce state he was denied a SM offer at all. Furthermore, it makes no sense whatsoever that PATFO would tell him that going into this past season. Talk about expecting a sour mood and faking an injury.
There is no way that transpired. Now...it certainly might have been withheld since then after the fake injury nonsense. And deservedly so. that fool.
Yeah, a lot of conjecture flying around these parts, recently.
If this was Timmy or David it’s a non issue both would have gotten Super Max no issues. But K-Y had two years under contract and a third year option on his contract. So ing play out your two years and show everyone u deserve that big ass comtract. Don’t come crying two years to me before your contract end to deman Super Max deal
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