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    I think I can see Kawhi’s side now: if I’m not going to be here long-term, what’s the point of waiting things out? I can see why he’d be eager to move on right away.

    I don’t know what conversations happened a year ago, but there was a right way for Kawhi to handle it, and that right way would have included honoring his current contract.

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    Judging by their actions, and Kawhi's rumored pretty straightforward and clear request for a trade in the meeting, they don't seem to even care about salvaging the SM, other than as a parting gift on the way out of town. They won't even sign it without a NT clause, which I would absolutely NOT give them after last year.

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    You think that would go down any easier with his group? I don't.
    Of course not. All you have to do for proof of that is listen to Amin. He stated that if there was not an unconditional SM offer from the Spurs, you walk, just out of sheer disrespect.

    Lol. How many teams offer a SM deal after this season's bull , without requiring that player to requalify with his play this season?

    One? Two? Maybe three?

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    I think I can see Kawhi’s side now: if I’m not going to be here long-term, what’s the point of waiting things out? I can see why he’d be eager to move on right away.

    I don’t know what conversations happened a year ago, but there was a right way for Kawhi to handle it, and that right way would have included honoring his current contract.
    Handled right, that could have happened. It wasn't. A year ago, the Lakers had TONS of assets. Now, their cupboard is pretty bare.

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    Of course not. All you have to do for proof of that is listen to Amin. He stated that if there was not an unconditional SM offer from the Spurs, you walk, just out of sheer disrespect.

    Lol. How many teams offer a SM deal after this season's bull , without requiring that player to requalify with his play this season?

    One? Two? Maybe three?
    Stopped reading at Amin

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    I haven't seen one legitimate sauce state he was denied a SM offer at all. Furthermore, it makes no sense whatsoever that PATFO would tell him that going into this past season. Talk about expecting a sour mood and faking an injury.

    There is no way that transpired. Now...it certainly might have been withheld since then after the fake injury nonsense. And deservedly so. that fool.
    There were some rumblings about the Spurs asking him to take less so they could get more pieces, like what Tim did. But it’s hypothetical, I admit. It does make more sense than a scenario where the Spurs were primed to offer him $219 million, and then all of a sudden he starts acting disgruntled for no plausible reason.

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    It wasn’t unreasonable for him to expect it when they started talking about it last year. Whether the Spurs want to offer it or not is up to them. The reality, though, is that they either offer the supermax or trade the player, and if they trade they’ll never get close to equal return.

    It’s not the players’ problem that the owners put a clause in the CBA that backfired on small-market teams.

    It’s still nowhere near an excuse for Kawhi’s behavior, but the Spurs aren’t en led to a discount.
    Why do people keep using the term discount? Paying him more than anyone else can pay him isnt a discount.

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    I just wonder who could come out of nowhere and beat the Sixers offer.

    Wouldn't be surprised if they're just finalizing the details (picks/protections).

    Also I've been thinking they have 2 players who know Fultz in SA : Murray who should have been his teammate in Washington and Kelsey Plum. So I think he would be super confortable here.

    The issue is that this is almost too obvious at this point. Maybe they hate Fultz and are just using Philly as leverage.

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    If the Spurs really balked at offering a supermax before all this injury crap then I absolutely support Kawhi in wanting out. Not the crap he's pulled since if that was really the case but for sure wanting out.

    After the absolute bull contracts they gave out to Pau, Patty, and Porky previously, cheaping out on Leonard would have been an absolute slap in the face tbh.
    perfect

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    I just wonder who could come out of nowhere and beat the Sixers offer.

    Wouldn't be surprised if they're just finalizing the details (picks/protections).

    Also I've been thinking they have 2 players who know Fultz in SA : Murray who should have been his teammate in Washington and Kelsey Plum. So I think he would be super confortable here.

    The issue is that this is almost too obvious at this point. Maybe they hate Fultz and are just using Philly as leverage.
    Sorry to break the bad news to you but Plum and the Stars relocated to Las Vegas and are called the Aces.

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    Franchise players won't accept less than the supermax in next seasons, that's a fact.

    More teams are reluctant to give the supermax deals and more players think it's their right to have it.

    When the supermax is denied, a trade is imminent.

    That happened with Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Demarcus Cousins... There is no way that the teams could keep their players after they denied the supermax.

    I guess we will see this a lot in next seasons, the league tried to give teams a tool to retain their franchise players but now, it has become the problem for small teams not the solution.

    Also, players aren't that stupid, there are teams like Celtics or GSW that have 2 or 3 max contracts without issues. Boston has Kyrie and Hayward in max contracts, the latter means 30% of their salary cap when supermax is 35%...Only 5% of difference. That could makes a player think some owners are cheaper than others.


    You’re making assumptions. You don’t know that they didn’t offer it....and it hasn’t been reported that’s the reason Kawhi wants out. That’s the thing you still don’t understand...his camp is using the “misdiagnosis” as his calling card out of SA. Like people would understand his point of view if it was known and backed by something. If Kawhi was denied the supermax that’s an easy sell for his way out....

    But it still starts and ends with the injury diagnosis..everything is tied to it. Yet we still don’t legitimately know the truth..not even you. Yet you’ll take a bullet for Kawhi..

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    Jefferson was a better spur than kawhi

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    Sorry to break the bad news to you but Plum and the Stars relocated to Las Vegas and are called the Aces.
    Yeah and Plum sucks, laying goose eggs and only averaging 6ppg.

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    One thing I'm absolutely 1000% positive about is the decision whether it would be financially feasible to give Kawhi the supermax was decided prior to this year. Teams run like corporations so there would be heavy financially analysis on upcoming years expenditures so it's safe to assume they had already decided to give Kawhi the supermax. Now, is it possible they let it be known to Kawhi's camp prior to the year that they wanted him to take less, possibly but I doubt it. In my opinion, there are only 8 players that truly deserve the supermax and they are LeBron, Harden, Curry, Davis, Durant, Westbrook, Antetokounmpo & Leonard. However, I don't believe this is a money issue. In one of the Roman Shelburne articles there was a reference from a friend of RC that the organization was concerned that Kawhi's camp was purposely trying to sour the relationship between the parties. This doesn't excuse Pop's decision to call out the group in the media or for the Spurs not listing Kawhi as injuried but it could explain the frustration from the organization pov. Nevertheless, we should let some dominoes fall in free agency to see what to do next. I would be perfectly fine with the media circus next year and perhaps Pop can convince Kawhi to reconsider.

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    I just wonder who could come out of nowhere and beat the Sixers offer.

    Wouldn't be surprised if they're just finalizing the details (picks/protections).

    Also I've been thinking they have 2 players who know Fultz in SA : Murray who should have been his teammate in Washington and Kelsey Plum. So I think he would be super confortable here.

    The issue is that this is almost too obvious at this point. Maybe they hate Fultz and are just using Philly as leverage.
    I believe they are waiting on Bron's decision. If he chooses the lakers, that means there is a better chance of Kawhi re-signing elsewhere, and therefore will give teams more confidence on offering a better package.

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    Why do people keep using the term discount? Paying him more than anyone else can pay him isnt a discount.
    If I’m Kawhi, in August 2017 or thereabouts, with the year I’ve just had, as a consensus top 3 player in the league, my position would be $219 million, trade me, or I walk in 2019. Anything less than $219 million is a discount. The reason would be a combination of my own business interests, and solidarity with other NBA elite players to hold owners accountable for the DPE clause they wanted in the CBA.

    I wouldn’t malinger though. Having signed a contract, I would honor that contract and play my best. If I just couldn’t bear to spend another day in SA, I’d ask for a buyout.

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    I don't see why the Spurs don't just give him the $219M
    A bit of perspective - $219 mil is the value of the combined contracts of Patty Mills, Pau Gasol, Chandler Parsons, Luol Deng, Timofey Mosgov and Ryan Anderson. All of them.

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    If I’m Kawhi, in August 2017 or thereabouts, with the year I’ve just had, as a consensus top 3 player in the league, my position would be $219 million, trade me, or I walk in 2019. Anything less than $219 million is a discount. The reason would be a combination of my own business interests, and solidarity with other NBA elite players to hold owners accountable for the DPE clause they wanted in the CBA.

    I wouldn’t malinger though. Having signed a contract, I would honor that contract and play my best. If I just couldn’t bear to spend another day in SA, I’d ask for a buyout.
    A discount implies taking less. The only discount here would be Kawhi being traded or walking in free agency to play for another teams max. SA offering even $1 more is not a discount.

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    I have no doubt that the Spurs would have offered the supermax if Kawhi had even had a year as successful as 2016-2017. The matter of the fact is that simply wasn't the case.

    He played only 9 games where he frankly looked average, missed the rest of the season with a highly nebulous injury that had no concrete timetable, and pretty much shut out Pop, his teammates, and the organization.

    There isn't a team in the league that would hand out a supermax after that without at least some kind of stipulations (confirming health, commitment to the team, etc.)

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    A bit of perspective - $219 mil is the value of the combined contracts of Patty Mills, Pau Gasol, Chandler Parsons, Luol Deng, Timofey Mosgov and Ryan Anderson. All of them.
    But it would be five seasons. What's the seasons for those guys? 3 for Mills, 1 for Pau, (fully guaranteed) and 2 left for the rest of them.

    Not the cleanest comparison

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    I have no doubt that the Spurs would have offered the supermax if Kawhi had even had a year as successful as 2016-2017. The matter of the fact is that simply wasn't the case.

    He played only 9 games where he frankly looked average, missed the rest of the season with a highly nebulous injury that had no concrete timetable, and pretty much shut out Pop, his teammates, and the organization.

    There isn't a team in the league that would hand out a supermax after that without at least some kind of stipulations (confirming health, commitment to the team, etc.)
    yes I'm sure he will need a clean bill of health and feel the commitment is there. The Spurs won't offer that kind of money with a player option. Maybe in the last year.

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    According to Gasol, relationship between Spurs and Kawhi can't be fixed.

    http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/sp...d-can-be-fixed

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    According to Gasol, relationship between Spurs and Kawhi can't be fixed.

    http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/sp...d-can-be-fixed
    I don't think gasol knows anything and this isn't a planned leak (it's Jeff Garcia). It may be a prelude to a trade or he's here harassing a player for comment

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    I don't think gasol knows anything and this isn't a planned leak (it's Jeff Garcia). It may be a prelude to a trade or he's here harassing a player for comment
    Hes saying what he should have said in december

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    According to Gasol, relationship between Spurs and Kawhi can't be fixed.

    http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/sp...d-can-be-fixed
    Good, I was wondering what that washed up pos thought.

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