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    fultz takes up too much cap space to what he produces and we already have too many pgs. Dude sucks. No one is biting.
    Cap space for what? They couldn't appeal to superstars and stars at their peak, so they damn sure won't now. Also, the roster would be mostly set (they'd just need to re-sign their own free agents). They'd have flexibility going forward.

    Fultz and Covington combined will make about what Leonard will next season, then significantly less than he'd have gotten had he signed the super max. If they dumped Mills and bought out/stretched Bayless, they'd come out ahead.

    Only in the NBA, can a 19 year old be written off after 1 season, having played a whopping 253 minutes over 14 games.

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    As I said before best use of any cap space they can free up for the next couple of years is to take on bad salaries for high picks and promising young players unless Spur fan is content with teams gunning for 6th, 7th, 8th seed and first round exits for the foreseeable future

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    Knicks are apparently his third choice behind LAL and LAC

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    ugh. ducks has shown up. all we need now is for this thread to turn into a god does/does not exist thread or for avante to start talking about track.
    It's not over until Cosmored starts posting

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    Dude, he’s played 14 games. His career is only a bit longer than Kawhi s aborted season. Anyone, including you, who says they know what he is or what he will be is basically full of .
    Why did no team bite then? Dude has been exposed.

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    Cap space for what? They couldn't appeal to superstars and stars at their peak, so they damn sure won't now. Also, the roster would be mostly set (they'd just need to re-sign their own free agents). They'd have flexibility going forward.

    Fultz and Covington combined will make about what Leonard will next season, then significantly less than he'd have gotten had he signed the super max. If they dumped Mills and bought out/stretched Bayless, they'd come out ahead.

    Only in the NBA, can a 19 year old be written off after 1 season, having played a whopping 253 minutes over 14 games.
    Even his own team apparently.

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    I have no doubt that the Spurs would have offered the supermax if Kawhi had even had a year as successful as 2016-2017. The matter of the fact is that simply wasn't the case.

    He played only 9 games where he frankly looked average, missed the rest of the season with a highly nebulous injury that had no concrete timetable, and pretty much shut out Pop, his teammates, and the organization.

    There isn't a team in the league that would hand out a supermax after that without at least some kind of stipulations (confirming health, commitment to the team, etc.)
    It's not just the games. Supermax must come with more responsibilities. Including being with the team, a leader, doing nba cares events, basketball camps, being an ambassador for the community of SA, being in a photo with someone's daughter.

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    Even his own team apparently.
    The thing is, whatever his current value is, it's far less than his potential. So unless they can turn a package headlined by him into Leonard, they're better off retaining him. A year from now, the narrative could easily change.

    It's easy to point out what a risk he is, but try finding a superior alternative if push comes to shove and they're not able to pry Brown loose.

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    The thing is, whatever his current value is, it's far less than his potential. So unless they can turn a package headlined by him into Leonard, they're better off retaining him. A year from now, the narrative could easily change.

    It's easy to point out what a risk he is, but try finding a superior alternative if push comes to shove and they're not able to pry Brown loose.
    I'd rather tank than try to make trash pretty.

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    I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course.

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    I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course.
    Screw that. Get rid of his ass. He got paid $19m to play and didn't. He's a thief. He let his team down. A PO team no less, HIS team. The guys fought hard all year to make the POs and he let them down. GS was vulnerable this year. With LMA balling, this could have been the last best chance for Pop and the remaining Big3. that guy.

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    I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course.
    I wonder the same thing as well. Things have been quiet for nearly a week and there have been really no leaks from credible sources how the meeting went except from Shams (just that it was professional and confidential). Jabari said it went good and future dialogue is expected in the future. Only SAS has said he wanted a trade when it was all safe id and done. I don’t put much stock into what SAS and most of what ESPN says anymore. Woj and Shams I think would have reported how the meeting went if they knew. I find it hard time believe that they don’t, but SAS does.

    It’s always about money and I would be surprised if he was okay letting $80 million or so go over things that could probably be resolved with simple conversations. This is assuming the SM is even offered though...

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    I am hearing news that both Boston and Philly have upgraded their past trades anyone else hearing this?

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    The reason he's most likely not going to play summer league is, because the 76ers don't want to halt the supposed progress being made on the re-building of his jump shot, which is still in the early stages.
    That's the cover story.

    Yes, he's working on his shot and has been.

    But camp doesn't open for 3 months and he can't risk taking 5 days against mostly g-league caliber players in exhibition settings? Exactly what kind of catastrophic result are they so afraid of? What if he actually shot well and catapulted his value up and started great buzz going into next year?

    But apparently the danger to his mind is so incredible that it out weighs the benefits of him playing well.

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    I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course.
    I'm hoping and thinking you're right because that would be what's best for the team. I'm sure there has been posturing in the press with leaks, but who knows what has been discussed. They can't offer the super-max until July 1st and then they have until October 16th if needed. A lot can happen in that time. It just seems daft to walk from that kind of cash (that's a lot of visits to Wingstop)!! R.C. seemed like he was determined to keep him with the team for "as long as possible" which I took to mean he was playing in SA until the summer of 2019 at least.

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    I wonder the same thing as well. Things have been quiet for nearly a week and there have been really no leaks from credible sources how the meeting went except from Shams (just that it was professional and confidential). Jabari said it went good and future dialogue is expected in the future. Only SAS has said he wanted a trade when it was all safe id and done. I don’t put much stock into what SAS and most of what ESPN says anymore. Woj and Shams I think would have reported how the meeting went if they knew. I find it hard time believe that they don’t, but SAS does.

    It’s always about money and I would be surprised if he was okay letting $80 million or so go over things that could probably be resolved with simple conversations. This is assuming the SM is even offered though...
    Yep!

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    If the Lakers are able to get another team to take Ball for a future first, then I’d be open to dealing with the Lakers.

    Ingram + Kuzma + decent 1st
    is on par with
    a Fultz + Saric + 10 (now Zahrie)

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    but Fultz at least offers the possibility of an elite talent
    No he doesn't. He's slow and can't shoot.

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    I am hearing news that both Boston and Philly have upgraded their past trades anyone else hearing this?
    This is a little sooner than I thought, but this was inevitable. Neither can let the other have him.

    Maybe The Group OKd those two teams, realizing that the Knicks are , and Dolan is an asshole.

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    Stopped reading at Amin
    Yeah, the guy's an assbag, but that doesn't mean that Amin doesn't properly represent Kawhi's camp. In fact, iirc, he even said that he knew that was the case that he would walk.

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    I am hearing news that both Boston and Philly have upgraded their past trades anyone else hearing this?
    Where you hearing this? Im thinking if Kawhi is traded it will be in the next 14 days or so.

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    Where you hearing this? Im thinking if Kawhi is traded it will be in the next 14 days or so.
    R.C. encouraged my thinking that they weren't too big on the idea of a trade, but I'm sure they are listening. If it's going to happen it would make sense to do it sooner than later. If a trade doesn't happen in the coming weeks I'll be expecting Kawhi to get ready for training camp.

    How was the draft night experience and what do you think of our picks/new guys?

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    Where you hearing this? Im thinking if Kawhi is traded it will be in the next 14 days or so.
    Could be talking about Philly getting that pick in the draft to potentially sweeten a trade, is only thing I heard.

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    Boston has to include Tatum if I'm the GM of the Spurs.

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