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    "General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the cir stances permit," Mr Kelner said

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    "General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the cir stances permit," Mr Kelner said
    What do you say his story is, TSA?

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    Flynn is scheduled in court this Friday for sentencing.
    Can't wait.

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    Pavlov: "Why would Flynn have to refuse to cooperate if Trump did nothing wrong?"

    Flynn cooperated and got slapped with a perjury charge and threats to his family. Do you understand how that doesn't make any sense?

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    Flynn could-- he agreed to delay the sentencing twice.

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    Pavlov: "Why would Flynn have to refuse to cooperate if Trump did nothing wrong?"

    Flynn cooperated and got slapped with a perjury charge and threats to his family. Do you understand how that doesn't make any sense?
    If he didn't lie and his son did no wrong, why admit to lying?

    He clearly stated there were no threats in his statement of offense.

    Why did he lie again?

    The WSJ reported he wanted full immunity to give testimony in March 2017.

    Why ask for that if he did nothing wrong and doesn't want to cooperate?

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    Chris, if he's not cooperating (He is) he wouldn't be allowed to walk the street free. See Manafort.

    Let's imagine lying to the FBI is all Mueller has on Flynn, well then that's not enough to make one flip and he would make Flynn serve that sentence, however small in an actual jail.

    Your opinion article is trash.

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    "This case is a reminder that ultimately, our system of checks and balances and limitations on each branch’s powers, although exquisitely designed, ultimately works only if people of virtue, sensitivity, and courage, not affected by the winds of public opinion, choose to work within the confines of the law. Let us hope that the people in charge of this prosecution, including the Special Counsel and the Assistant Attorney General, are such people. Although this case will continue, those involved should be sensitive to the danger unleashed when political disagreements are transformed into partisan prosecutions."

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    "This case is a reminder that ultimately, our system of checks and balances and limitations on each branch’s powers, although exquisitely designed, ultimately works only if people of virtue, sensitivity, and courage, not affected by the winds of public opinion, choose to work within the confines of the law. Let us hope that the people in charge of this prosecution, including the Special Counsel and the Assistant Attorney General, are such people. Although this case will continue, those involved should be sensitive to the danger unleashed when political disagreements are transformed into partisan prosecutions."
    Yes, the Republican Special Counsel appointed by the Republican DAG appointed by the Republican POTUS is obviously working for the Democrats.

    lol

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    'I don't see what relation this indictment has with what the special counsel is authorized to investigate,' the judge says.
    "There’s no mention in the indictment of any Russian individuals or any Russian bank or any payment to Manafort by the Russians,” the judge noted.

    “Our investigative scope covers the activities that led to this case,” Dreeben said at one point.

    “It covers bank fraud in 2005 and 2007?” Ellis replied incredulously.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...rt-case-568935
    A federal judge expressed deep skepticism Friday in the bank fraud case brought by special counsel Robert Mueller's office against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, at one point saying he believes that Mueller's motivation is to oust President Donald Trump from office.

    Although Mueller's authority has been tested in court before, Friday's hearing was notable for District Judge T.S. Ellis' decision to wade into the divisive political debate around the investigation.
    "You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," Ellis said to prosecutor Michael Dreeben, at times losing his temper. Ellis said prosecutors were interested in Manafort because of his potential to provide material that would lead to Trump's "prosecution or impeachment," Ellis said.
    "That's what you're really interested in," said Ellis, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

    Ellis repeated his su ion several times in the hour-long court hearing. He said he'll make a decision at a later date about whether Manafort's case can go forward.
    "We don't want anyone in this country with unfettered power. It's unlikely you're going to persuade me the special prosecutor has power to do anything he or she wants," Ellis told Dreeben. "The American people feel pretty strongly that no one has unfettered power."
    When Dreeben answered Ellis' question about how the investigation and its charges date back to before the Trump campaign formed, the judge shot back, "None of that information has to do with information related to Russian government coordination and the campaign of Donald Trump."

    At one point, Ellis posed a hypothetical question, speaking as if he were the prosecutor, about why Mueller's office referred a criminal investigation about Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen to New York authorities and kept the Manafort case in Virginia.
    They weren't interested in it because it didn't "further our core effort to get Trump," Ellis said, mimicking a prosecutor in the case.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/04/polit...ing/index.html



    Lawdy!


    what did judge ellis reject?
    Indictments against Paul Manafort. There are direct quotes.
    all that and then...




    to summarize:


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    all that and then...




    to summarize:
    You missed one

    "This case is a reminder that ultimately, our system of checks and balances and limitations on each branch’s powers, although exquisitely designed, ultimately works only if people of virtue, sensitivity, and courage, not affected by the winds of public opinion, choose to work within the confines of the law. Let us hope that the people in charge of this prosecution, including the Special Counsel and the Assistant Attorney General, are such people. Although this case will continue, those involved should be sensitive to the danger unleashed when political disagreements are transformed into partisan prosecutions."

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    You missed one
    ... judge who doesn't like mueller begrudgingly applies the law but wants you to know he's not happy about it!

    what's next TSA, are you going to try to pass sotomayor's dissenting opinion on the travel ban case as law?

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    also, the parties have to give an update on Flynn's sentencing by no later than this Friday

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    You missed one
    You never explained how this Manfort's prosecution is partisan.

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    Good old Judge Ellis took his time.

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    Good old Judge Ellis took his time.
    drafted a 31 page ruling

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    drafted a 31 page ruling
    lol had his clerks try like to find a way to rule against Mueller.

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    lol had his clerks try like to find a way to rule against Mueller.
    his ruling has a lot of complaining about the special counsel and that whole process... he talks about how he thinks the russia investigation should have been handled, etc

    though he ultimately says it's legal. and that's really his role here.

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    his ruling has a lot of complaining about the special counsel and that whole process... he talks about how he thinks the russia investigation should have been handled, etc

    though he ultimately says it's legal. and that's really his role here.
    Yeah, getting all salty can't hurt his chances for advancement at this point.

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    lol had his clerks try like to find a way to rule against Mueller.
    Ellis is always hard on the prosecutors from what I have read.

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    Ellis is always hard on the prosecutors from what Kyle Griffin told me to think.
    Ya don't say.

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    Alas, figuring that he was playing with the house money, Mueller made a reckless bet: He charged not only Russian individuals but three Russian businesses. A business doesn’t have the same risks as a person. A business can’t be thrown in jail. And while members of Mueller’s prosecutorial stable have a history of putting real businesses out of business, a business that is run by a Putin crony and serves as a front for Kremlin operations is not too worried about that either.

    So . . . guess what? One of those Russian businesses, Concord Management and Consulting, wants its day in court. It has retained the Washington law firm of Reed Smith, two of whose partners, Eric Dubelier and Katherine Seikaly, have told Mueller that Concord is ready to have its trial — and by the way, let’s see all the discovery the law requires you to disclose, including all the evidence you say supports the extravagant allegations in the indictment.

    Needless to say, Mueller’s team is not happy about this development since this is not a case they figured on having to prosecute to anything more than a successful press conference. So, they have sought delay on the astonishing ground that the defendant has not been properly served — notwithstanding that the defendant has shown up in court and asked to be arraigned.

    Understand, service of process is simply the means by which a party seeks what Mueller has already got: the opposing party’s appearance in the lawsuit. But Mueller’s argument is so priceless we can’t let it go unstated: In order to serve the defendants in a criminal case in which Mueller alleges that Russia is an adversary government that conducted espionage operations against the American election, the Justice Department sought the assistance of . . . yes . . . the government of Russia. I know you’ll be shocked to hear this, but DOJ says Russia never got back to them.

    Something tells me that Concord’s appearance in court is Russia’s way of getting back to them.

    The federal court in the District of Columbia has scheduled Concord’s arraignment for Wednesday, so Mueller filed his papers late last Friday to try to get the matter postponed. But, as Politico’s Josh Gerstein reports, on Saturday evening, Judge Dabney Friedrich curtly denied Mueller’s request. Mueller’s prosecutors had suggested that weeks of briefing were necessary to probe the question of whether Concord had been served properly. As Concord has voluntarily appeared, however, it is not apparent why that question needs examination — if he wants to stand on ceremony, Mueller could just hand the lawyers a copy of the indictment when they see each other in court this week.

    In fact, though, Concord’s lawyers have been scrutinizing the indictment very carefully, and making demands for discovery that they say Mueller has ignored for weeks. To put it mildly, this is not a case the special counsel is anxious to try; he is even less thrilled at the prospect of disclosing his evidence and investigative files to a business controlled by Yevgeny Prigozhin. Apart from being close to Putin, Prigozhin is personally charged as a defendant in the case — he controls not just Concord but all three businesses charged in the indictment.

    By indicting Russian businesses that belong to a Kremlin-connected defendant who cannot be forced to leave Russia, Mueller risked exactly what has happened: one of the businesses showing up to contest the case at no risk, in effect forcing Mueller to show this Kremlin-connected defendant what he’s got, even though he has no chance of getting the Kremlin-connected defendant convicted and sentenced to prison.

    The surest way to put an end to this unwelcome turn of events would be to dismiss the indictment — or at least drop the charges against the three businesses so Prigozhin and the Kremlin can’t use them to force Mueller’s hand. Of course, that would be very embarrassing. But as all prosecutors are taught from their first day on the job: Never indict a case unless you are prepared to try the case.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...ourt-manafort/

    Mueller

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    here's a more recent update on the concord case

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/polit...ler/index.html

    they're trying the same exact manafort has tried and failed at multiple times... arguing his appointment was unlawful and that he lacks authority to prosecute them
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