Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[bklynspursfan]

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Pop should be on his knees begging. He knows he ed up with the Kawhi situation.

Hore . Leonard and Uncle Denny have had this scenario laid out for months. Media has an agenda to build the Lakers and paint Leonard as a victim and some tool Spurs fans have bought into that line. And then there’s trolls like you with multiple accounts taking different stances on each one thinking for some reason that that’s cute.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

They were pretty ty when they moved them though, weren't they?

For sure, but if George leaves OKC that’s gonna be brutal since they lost all those players for essentially nothing

[rasuo214]

The Spurs did up. Pop has called out players publicly before but it has never devolved to this. That isn't to say Kawhi's group (mainly his uncle) has been any better.

I do disagree with those that criticize Kawhi for not speaking out publicly. That doesn't help out the Spurs unless what he says is positive. That's unlikely right now so there is little to gain and a lot to lose. Everything so far has just been speculation and can be refuted later on.

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The Spurs did up. Pop has called out players publicly before but it has never devolved to this. That isn't to say Kawhi's group (mainly his uncle) has been any better.

I do disagree with those that criticize Kawhi for not speaking out publicly. That doesn't help out the Spurs unless what he says is positive. That's unlikely right now so there is little to gain and a lot to lose. Everything so far has just been speculation and can be refuted later on.

I keep seeing Leonard apologists making this argument but I never see them making the leap to how this explains only to LA. Next it’s going to be not only LA but only the Lakers. Please connect the dots Leonard apologists.

[lmbebo]

Philly can theoretically clear out space to sign LeBron then move Covington, Fultz, Saric, Miami's 2021 pick and Parsecniks for Kawhi and Mills.

Simmons, Kawhi, LeBron, Illyasova?, Embiid
with Mills, Beli, and whomever to fill out the bench could be the 18-19 76ers roster.

Boston isn't giving up Tatum, I don't see it, but the might give up the stable on all of their previously acquired first rounders in a deal. If Boston gets into a bidding war, then Tatum's available may change but I could see a-

Hayward, Brown, 2019 Kings Pick (probably top five), 2019 Memphis Pick (probably ends up being in the 10-14 range) and the lottery protected 2019 Clippers (same protections in 2020 but unlikely to actually convey) for Kawhi and Gasol.

That is an all-star caliber player, along with a young starter with high upside, and probably a top 5 and 14 pick in next year's draft that is a great haul, the Spurs can stay good for at least a couple of seasons while also being able to integrate two lottery picks into the system, on top of Brown and Murray.

Want no piece of Hayward. Coming off a really bad injury and is still owed like $90 million over the next 3 years .... Pre injury, yeah, I'd take him. But expensive piece no less still.

[SAGirl]

In other news... first trade of the offseason. Jerry West cleaning house. Signals DeAndre Jordan probably being traded too.

interesting...

[rasuo214]

I keep seeing Leonard apologists making this argument but I never see them making the leap to how this explains only to LA. Next it’s going to be not only LA but only the Lakers. Please connect the dots Leonard apologists.

He's from LA and afaik only ESPN has reported only to LA and others have gone with it. Early reports were that he wanted to go to a big market (LA, NY and Philly). There's a big difference between his preference is LA and that he'll only sign with LA.

[MoSpur02]

interesting...

I think it means DeAndre is getting ready to move

[YGWHI]

I keep seeing Leonard apologists making this argument but I never see them making the leap to how this explains only to LA. Next it’s going to be not only LA but only the Lakers. Please connect the dots Leonard apologists.

Because after not getting the supermax, his camp thinks the only team that would be Kawhi the opportunity of making money from better endoserments, is Lakers

Two weeks ago, Jabari Young wrote an article saying Kawhi's camp was in the "healing-process" with Spurs and they were ready to sign a supermax deal when Spurs offer it.

But the Spurs didn't make that offer, instead of offering the supermax, we read Woj's article "A long way from Spurs offer..."

[look_at_g_shred]

If Leonard is so unhappy with the Spurs Org. and how they handled the injury situation, he'd be happy just to get out and go anywhere else. The fact that it was reported that only to LA seems to me like he's using that as an excuse to go home.

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If Leonard is so unhappy with the Spurs Org. and how they handled the injury situation, he'd be happy just to get out and go anywhere else. The fact that it was reported that only to LA seems to me like he's using that as an excuse to go home.

SO MUCH THIS

[rasuo214]

Also saw the people comparing how much IT lost to what Kawhi would lose by rejecting the supermax and completely missed the point. If Kawhi played injured and ended up doing permanent damage to his body with lowered production like what happened to IT he would be losing a lot more than just the supermax.

[YGWHI]

If Leonard is so unhappy with the Spurs Org. and how they handled the injury situation, he'd be happy just to get out and go anywhere else. The fact that it was reported that only to LA seems to me like he's using that as an excuse to go home.

I wonder why Lebron is picking a place to live and play...After all, if he's not comfortable with the Cavs, he should be happy on any other team.

FAs, players opting out, players demanding a trade...All them want to choose their new teams. Sometimes they can, most times they can't, but everyone wants to have an opinion where they will live and play.

[Killakobe81]

I've most definitely gotten an entirely different vibe from the NBA subreddit page. And for that matter from the large and obnoxious bunch of lakerfans that live in spurstalk land. Not sure how many of us take up residence in your world, tbh.

Spurs are also the only organization that owned a better head to head record in regular season against you. Really that's even close as I recall reading.

And we've been a main rival for way longer than every other one of those teams you mentioned. Even the Celtics rivalry was only about 20 years of true battles.

Point is, don't tell me Chris Webber and Mike Bibby made Sactown a bigger rival when you bested them for a few years, each time. Can't say that about Spur.

Some good points and I don't go to reddit for sports are the threads there any good?
DON'T get it twisted living in SA and coming to ST has built some hate for your fan base but I still don't hate the Spurs as a franchise.

[rasuo214]

If Leonard is so unhappy with the Spurs Org. and how they handled the injury situation, he'd be happy just to get out and go anywhere else. The fact that it was reported that only to LA seems to me like he's using that as an excuse to go home.

"Only to LA" is allegedly his preference for 2019 and beyond. No where is it being reported that he won't play for any other team. Kawhi is under contract for 1 more year, that is all the Spurs can control they can't force him to commit to anything else beyond that.

[baseline bum]

Philly can theoretically clear out space to sign LeBron then move Covington, Fultz, Saric, Miami's 2021 pick and Parsecniks for Kawhi and Mills.

Simmons, Kawhi, LeBron, Illyasova?, Embiid
with Mills, Beli, and whomever to fill out the bench could be the 18-19 76ers roster.

Boston isn't giving up Tatum, I don't see it, but the might give up the stable on all of their previously acquired first rounders in a deal. If Boston gets into a bidding war, then Tatum's available may change but I could see a-

Hayward, Brown, 2019 Kings Pick (probably top five), 2019 Memphis Pick (probably ends up being in the 10-14 range) and the lottery protected 2019 Clippers (same protections in 2020 but unlikely to actually convey) for Kawhi and Gasol.

That is an all-star caliber player, along with a young starter with high upside, and probably a top 5 and 14 pick in next year's draft that is a great haul, the Spurs can stay good for at least a couple of seasons while also being able to integrate two lottery picks into the system, on top of Brown and Murray.

You're right about Philly. I must have forgot to include Embiids 25% of cap max salary into my numbers for them. Looks like there is no way they can keep Red if the sign LeBron.

For the Boston trade, if by good you mean middle of the pack playoff team, then yeah, probably. I'd much rather take Tatum and the Kings pick or even the Memphis one plus whatever matching salary needs to be thrown in. I still think a Leonard + James duo in Philly would force Ainge's hand, though not being able to have Red or Belinelli on that team is a definite blow.

[BackHome]

Rob and Duncan the closet Flakers finally comming out of the closet and showing their true colors.

[rjv]

I think it means DeAndre is getting ready to move

mavs are going all in on jordan this summer.

[baseline bum]

Y'all niccas are delusional (and I find it "cute") outside this board Spurs/Lakers are not true rivals and not "mortal enemies". ..
I know a few of you spur fans live in Cali ...and know Lakerfans dont give two s about the spurs.
There was a minor Kobe stan/dunacan stan rivalry ...and when Lakers played Spurs it was compe ive ...but where is the bad blood?
Kobe actually always praised the Spurs.
Shaq talked about David but always praised Tim ...
phil put the asterisk on 99 ...
But outside of Phil go back to the tape (highlights of the playoff matchups) there is no Horry hip-check, a Rambis clothesline or Sacramento Queens type diss or any scuffles despite these two teams battling heavy from 1998-2008.
For it to be a rivalry or for them to be enemies hate needs to flow on both sides.
Spurs hate the Lakers and Laker fans ...
Lakers dont hate the Spurs ...and unless you lived in the 210 or come here to Spurstalk, Most Lakerfans dont even think about the spurs much. and respect the out of the Organization and Admire tim.
We hate Portland, Utah, sacto and our only true rival are the Celts.
Spurs were never even top 5 of teams i disliked I did not like the rox or Mavs though ... (battled them in the 80's and i was a kid then where i built my sports hate)

It's just amusing watching this thread.

No ing way Killa. I used to get so much wearing Spurs gear in LA back in the Duncan/Shaq/Kobe era. Maybe Laker fans don't give a now but they hated the Spurs back in the 2000s. You got some revisionist history going there Killa.

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Some good points and I don't go to reddit for sports are the threads there any good?
DON'T get it twisted living in SA and coming to ST has built some hate for your fan base but I still don't hate the Spurs as a franchise.

Yeah, the subreddit for the NBA is good. Lots of good humor, too. The individual team ones aren't much different than the spurstalks of the world with lots of infighting. But the NBASpurs subreddit is, or at least was, far more in Kawhi's camp than this board has been.

[SpursforSix]

No ing way Killa. I used to get so much wearing Spurs gear in LA back in the Duncan/Shaq/Kobe era. Maybe Laker fans don't give a now but they hated the Spurs back in the 2000s. You got some revisionist history going there Killa.

yeah...there was hate. Both teams were impediments to the other's shots at a le. Almost every year. If Spurs didn't have Duncan, Lakers have more rings. And if Lakers didn't have Shaq, Spurs have more rings.

It was bad enough that LakerFan was rooting for the Pistons in the 2005 Finals just so the Spurs wouldn't accomplish what Lakers failed to do in 2004.

[baseline bum]

It was bad enough that LakerFan was rooting for the Pistons in the 2005 Finals just so the Spurs wouldn't accomplish what Lakers failed to do in 2004.

Oh yeah that was hilarious. Pistons broke their team up and yet they were all going for them in the Finals. And then in 07 you'd go to bars and all the Lakers fans would be rooting for the Suns to beat Duncan.

[YGWHI]

Jason McIntyre thinks we’d be lucky to get much if anything for Kawhi at this point, given that he’s stated that he’s going to sign with the Lakers next Summer. Cites PG’s trade las year as an example.

The guess here is that the Spurs refuse all trades for Kawhi, think they can convince him to stay, and they lose him for nothing, the same way the Thunder lost Kevin Durant for nothing.”

Well, I think the Spurs playing Kawhi one year more then losing him in FA is the best for both sides.

Unless the Spurs get Lebron or any other top-5 talent this offseason, without Kawhi they won't play NBA Finals in years...

We know that the Spurs with Kawhi were way better than Cavs, they have a shot...

And Kawhi's camp has to realize that playing one year for scrubs like Orlando/Charlotte won't give him any chance of better endorsements...

Boston isn't giving Tatum+Brown, Philly combo sucks...Why do we lose him in a trade for nothing?

I rather lose Kawhi for nothing in FA than helping other teams to become contenders..Losing him for nothing in FA to make WCF or NBA Finals for last time in years..is worth it.

Kawhi won't be happpy, Pop won't like the toxic situation? Who cares..I want to see my team and my favorite player being elite again...At least, one more year.

DON'T TRADE HIM.

[daslicer]

Well, I think the Spurs playing Kawhi one year more then losing him in FA is the best for both sides.

Unless the Spurs get Lebron or any other top-5 talent this offseason, without Kawhi they won't play NBA Finals in years...

We know that the Spurs with Kawhi were way better than Cavs, they have a shot...

And Kawhi's camp has to realize that playing one year for scrubs like Orlando/Charlotte won't give him any chance of better endorsements...

Boston isn't giving Tatum+Brown, Philly combo sucks...Why do we lose him in a trade for nothing?

I rather lose Kawhi for nothing in FA than helping other teams to become contenders..Losing him for nothing in FA to make WCF or NBA Finals for last time in years..is worth it.

Kawhi won't be happpy, Pop won't like the toxic situation? Who cares..I want to see my team and my favorite player being elite again...At least, one more year.

DON'T TRADE HIM.

I can actually agree with you on this. Spurs are not going to ever get close to equal value for Kawhi. They are better off playing him next year and trying to win it all for one last time.