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no. Could you imagine any other team develop and shelter and give major playing roles to a player that is basically a mute and doesn't interact with his teammates?
no. Could you imagine any other team develop and shelter and give major playing roles to a player that is basically a mute and doesn't interact with his teammates?
Kawhi saved PATFO from getting donkey ed by the Suns and Grizzlies year in year out. Never forget that, Spurmfan.
If Leonard is this bad of a player, then why are most of you mad that he’s leaving?
We need to stop this... Let's not act like other teams don't have stars that were drafted in the teens... Spurs aren't special... Give Kawhi credit... Or else we would be pumping out superstars every year
I do think he has benefited from the system in a lot of ways... that being said, the system might actually restrict him from being what he wants to be and maybe that’s a better version?
What you could argue is that kawhi most likely would not have been the same player had he gone to one of the more dysfunctional organizations
They are guys like Lebron,Duncan,Shaq who I believe would have been great regardless where they played but don't act like Kawhi is like those guys in the sense he would have been great wherever he went. Let's not act stupid to deny that he didn't have flaws coming in. He had a broken jumpshot, and a very limited offensive game. His strength was that he was a great defensive player which is why the Spurs originally drafted him and why a lot of a teams passed on him due to only having that skill set. Spurs helped him fix his jump shot and then worked with him to develop an offensive game.
I remember hearing a story from Matt Barnes a few years ago in which he stated that while in Philadelphia he would work on his jump shot a lot after practice. One day Mo Cheeks who was his coach came up to him and said "I don't know why you are working on your shot because I'm never going to allow you to take those shots so don't waste your time practicing them." Most coaches believe it or not usually are not willing to work with a player to develop more skills or give a player an opportunity to do something out of their normal skill set. Spurs did both for Kawhi.
Here is where I give Kawhi credit which is he had the work ethic that allowed him to get better along with talent to become a great player. If he was drafted by a bad organization like the Hornets I do believe he turns out to be a good player but I doubt he's an MVP caliber player. Coaching makes a huge difference for players with raw talent. I believe for example Batum had he been drafted by the Spurs probably would have been a superstar instead of just at best a borderline all-star.
I do not think he would become the player he is without Chip.
the only thing certain about this is that Mo Cheeks is an idiot
This. Alot of people here believe that Kiwi was destined to be great but they do not realize Kiwi was able to become who he is because of the investment made by the Spurs. If he was not traded by Pacers, I doubt that he will reach his current standing right now.
Those guys had a higher ceiling. Well.. RJ and Jax already were in the league for a while before they were a Spur, and they had their skillsets already. I don't think Pop used RJ effectively, and Jax certainly did his role in San Antonio.
Danny Green was on his way out of the league and I don't think, as much as I like Kyle, he'd stay in the league very long if not for San Antonio because of his footspeed. Kawhi just had a higher ceiling because he has much more athleticism, more upside, and admittedly, a better work ethic. But it's all about upside. I don't doubt that the Spurs made Green and Anderson very serviceable players in the league either. But the Spurs definitely helped bring Kawhi's star potential, I doubt another team (only probably the Warriors) would have the talent to develop players the way Pop and his staff has.
Probably not, he had Bruce Bowen and Cheap during training, then had Manu Duncan and others to help him on court, now we will see how he handles 40 minutes per night.
My bet is he will explode.
"You know who's fackin' great? Jahnny Damon... fackin' love that guy" -Boston fan in 2004
"Jahnny Damon going to the Yankees? Guy's a bum, fack that clown" -Same Boston fan in 2006
Depends on which other team(s) he is on.
Obviously being able to play with Timmy Dunkar was huge.
Beyond that, not so much.
Yea, Anderson and Green will be in the MVP race soon.
So why havent the spurs been pushikg out more top 3 players then? Its on kawhi...mostly on him, and to a lesser extent, the FO...look at Giannis...The bucks arent a first class organization...yet they have arguably a top 5 player in the mid-teens...and Pop doesnt give his players much freedom...dude has a super short hook...especially for young players...u think Steph Curry would have been the player he is today being coached under Pop? The first time he pulled up from 40 with 15 on tue clock would have been his last...draymond wouldnt have seen the court...especially not over david lee...whenever steph is within 1 three pointer of the record, he would hsve been benched
So no other team has stars then?? Smh...u guys give the spurs way too much credit
No, I'm just saying, the Spurs have a great track record of developing players.
Case in point, Manu, 57th pick, Tony, 28th pick. Bruce Bowen, undrafted. Fabricio Oberto. Francisco Elson. Gary Neal. Roger Mason Jr. Ime Udoka. Beno Udrih. Aron Baynes, undrafted. Cory Joseph. Much more others.
Oberto, Elson, Neal, Mason Jr. played good roles for the Spurs in their time, and had a hard time keeping a job after. Udrih, Baynes and Joseph despite being undrafted or being drafted late went on to produce pretty good careers.
Story short, Spurs have done a great job developing players, Kawhi included. Kawhi just had a higher ceiling than Green or Anderson, and perhaps a better work ethic, that you see it being reflected to who he is today. He was a poor shooter out of college, and he's one of the top scorers because of Chip, and because of the patience and development that the Spurs staff have put. There is no doubt the Spurs played a huge role in him being who he is today.
Boston seems to be developing talent well under ainge this time around.
Ex-Spurs player stats:
Dewayne Dedmon: 5 pts 6 reb (with Spurs); 10 pts 7.9 reb (Magic)
Jonathan Simmons: 6 pts 2 reb 1 ast (with Spurs); 14 pts 3 reb 2 ast (Magic)
Boban Marjanovic: 5 pts 3 reb (with Spurs); 5 pts 3 reb (post Spurs)
David West: 7 pts 4 reb 1 ast (with Spurs); 6 pts 3 reb 1 ast (Warriors)
Aron Baynes: 6 pts 4 reb (with Spurs); 6 pts 4 reb (Pistons)
Marco Belinelli: 10 pts 1 reb 1 ast (with Spurs); 12 pts 1 reb 1 ast (post Spurs) <-- I miss this guy, he was so good for the Spurs
The main takeaway is that Dewayne Dedmon and Jonathan Simmons played significantly more minutes than the rest listed. If Kawhi leaves, I think it's safe to say his stats would be relatively the same. The only exception is that his scoring might drop off a bit or fg% might dip because of poor shot selection.
I cannot wait to see Kawhi traded and see you gtfo tbh..
All are much higher picks, as well.
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