Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[dbreiden83080]

This is not getting solved in a week or 10 days. So Lebron can wait it out or re-sign in Cleveland for 1 more year.. Or just pick up his option on Friday..

[RD2191]

I doubt it. Why should the Spurs feel rushed because the Lakers are scared they are not getting Lebron? Spurs know they are not getting Lebron, so they should give no s..

Exactly

, I'd think the Spurs should consider a Lakers deal BUT FIRST Kawhi needs to apologize and correct the record publicly

His greater sphere of reps and sources have defamed the Spurs, smeared their character, ruined their reputation and cost the franchise millions upon millions of dollars and destroyed their future

He wants the Lakers?

Let's see him beg on TV. Let's see a sit down interview where he admits he quit on the team and admits he could have played but chose not to. Admit there's nothing wrong with the medical staff and front office. Admit the Spurs treated him ABOVE AND BEYOND GREAT. But that he's now looking to put it all behind him and join the Lakers with nothing but love and respect for Pop and the Spurs

Let's see that first

And after that ... Still sit him out.

You're a ing idiot and I'd punch you if I were next to you.

[dbreiden83080]

You're a ing idiot and I'd punch you if I were next to you.

[daslicer]

Spurs should just hold Kawhi hostage for next season unless they get an offer for Tatum or Ben Simmons.

[TD 21]

You have to view, if you are the Lakers, in the lense of Ball, Ingram, Kuz for Lebron + Kawhi.

If you know you won’t land Bron without PG or Kawhi and you can get Kawhi for sure, then that means you get Bron. Even if you somehow whiff on Bron, getting a true top 5 player in his prime that will extend is probably worth Kuz/Ball/Ingram.

I know. But like I said, I don't think it'll be necessary to go to that extent. If the Spurs can't land Brown or Jackson (in a 3 team trade), Ingram, Kuzma, some combination of a 1st, Hart and Randle (rerouted to a 3rd team for another asset) and the ability to take back Gasol or Mills, still probably wins in the end.

[baseline bum]

If that is the case, then you do the trade since in your scenario Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz would all be gone anyways..

Also, letting Kawhi go another year? What if he gets injured again? Now you have nothing there either.

Yeah I don't see the Lakers holding out for Kawhi if they land PG13 and LeBron. ESPN is so full of acting like LA landing those two gives the Lakers more leverage. The Lakers best leverage would be if they sign PG13 but LeBron stays in Cleveland. Then they'd probably keep Randle and attach Ingram or Ball to Deng next summer to create the capspace to land Kawhi.

[objective]

How so? Kuzma and Ingram would automatically be the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players. Have you seen our roster sans LMA and Kawhi? It's utter dog . And rebuild or retool? I don't see free agents lining up to sign with the Spurs any time soon.

I doubt they are 2nd and 3rd. They had the green light to vomit up numbers on a crap team and were so inefficient they were both below average PER players

Meanwhile Kawhi wins a ring, the media celebrates, and everyone laughs at the Spurs

[exstatic]

How so? Kuzma and Ingram would automatically be the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players. Have you seen our roster sans LMA and Kawhi? It's utter dog . And rebuild or retool? I don't see free agents lining up to sign with the Spurs any time soon.

You don't rebuild with FAs. This would be the 'burn it to the ground' scenario. You absolutely reject the Lakers in that case. Why add mediocre players to mediocre players?

I don't think it will come to that, though. Magic and Pelinka will blink when LeBron gets impatient, fill their cap up, and the offers from Bos and Phi will increase overnight.

[RD2191]

I didn't mean to qoute you on that one my bad

[DPG21920]

I know. But like I said, I don't think it'll be necessary to go to that extent. If the Spurs can't land Brown or Jackson (in a 3 team trade), Ingram, Kuzma, some combination of a 1st, Hart and Randle (rerouted to a 3rd team for another asset) and the ability to take back Gasol or Mills, still probably wins in the end.

I would much rather have Jackson than dump Gasol/Mills, but yeah, in reality that might end up being the case.

[mclinejr]

You're a ing idiot and I'd punch you if I were next to you.

Curious question for you...

Do you think Kawhi has done nothing wrong throughout this saga?

[baseline bum]

Julian is a damn good player. Would I want him at max? No, but for 15-19M, sure.

That's not likely to be his market value. Plus he'll be in a really strong position to negotiate if a blockbuster trade deal relies on his approval. You think he wants to take a discount to leave LA for San Antonio? I doubt it.

[RD2191]

I doubt they are 2nd and 3rd. They had the green light to vomit up numbers on a crap team and were so inefficient they were both below average PER players

Meanwhile Kawhi wins a ring, the media celebrates, and everyone laughs at the Spurs

They laugh anyways so who gives a . I just don't see how you can let Kawhi walk for nothing. 16 ppt on 47% isn't bad for Ingram tbh fwiw. And 16 on 45% for kuzma isn't that bad either. They're still rookies in a sense. Plenty time to develop into more efficient players.

[DPG21920]

That's not likely to be his market value. Plus he'll be in a really strong position to negotiate if a blockbuster trade deal relies on his approval. You think he wants to take a discount to leave LA for San Antonio? I doubt it.

I think Julius has already been rumored to not be in love with the Lakers. I think he wants to get paid, but who knows what his offers will be. Some team may max him, but if not, I would love Randle/Ingram with other assets.

[RD2191]

Curious question for you...

Do you think Kawhi has done nothing wrong throughout this saga?

The only thing he's done wrong imo is let speculation run wild. He could've/should've made some statements earlier just to clear the air.

[look_at_g_shred]

Just need to wait and see where LBJ and PG sign

[mclinejr]

The only thing he's done wrong imo is let speculation run wild. He could've/should've made some statements earlier just to clear the air.

Agreed.

[TD 21]

I would much rather have Jackson than dump Gasol/Mills, but yeah, in reality that might end up being the case.

Sure, but that's from a Spurs perspective. They have more leverage than the (mostly biased) media has made it seem like up until today, but not as much as many on this board seem to think either. As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

As an aside, since I'd still be surprised if this gets resolved anytime soon (unless the Spurs can get what you proposed), I'll be watching for Gay's free agency as a clue as to whether a deal with the Lakers ultimately gets done. If he's not re-signed, think it's more likely because they'll know they're getting Kuzma, whose effectively a younger replacement.

[objective]

They laugh anyways so who gives a . I just don't see how you can let Kawhi walk for nothing. 16 ppt on 47% isn't bad for Ingram tbh fwiw. And 16 on 45% for kuzma isn't that bad either. They're still rookies in a sense. Plenty time to develop into more efficient players.

I think Kuzma's one of those guys whose rookie and second years are the best of his career. I don't buy him as a real 3rd best player.

Ingram is okay.

But Kawhi has done the Spurs wrong.

I've already laid out in detail how well the Spurs accommodate players. Nobody can even dispute any of it, just lose their temper.

If he had done it right he'd be a Laker yesterday.

[spurraider21]

crofl, simmons isn't remotely close to being in any way tradeable

[r0drig0lac]

crofl, simmons isn't remotely close to being in any way tradeable

[look_at_g_shred]

Well my plans for tonight are to have some beers, and watch highlights of all the supposed players involved in the trade talks.

[baseline bum]

I think Julius has already been rumored to not be in love with the Lakers. I think he wants to get paid, but who knows what his offers will be. Some team may max him, but if not, I would love Randle/Ingram with other assets.

Millsap is on a 30% max salary and so is Horford, and Randle is better than both of them. You don't think he's going to get 25% max salary offers and that he could be had for Gasol or Mozgov money?

[spurschamps99030507]

Exactly

, I'd think the Spurs should consider a Lakers deal BUT FIRST Kawhi needs to apologize and correct the record publicly

His greater sphere of reps and sources have defamed the Spurs, smeared their character, ruined their reputation and cost the franchise millions upon millions of dollars and destroyed their future

He wants the Lakers?

Let's see him beg on TV. Let's see a sit down interview where he admits he quit on the team and admits he could have played but chose not to. Admit there's nothing wrong with the medical staff and front office. Admit the Spurs treated him ABOVE AND BEYOND GREAT. But that he's now looking to put it all behind him and join the Lakers with nothing but love and respect for Pop and the Spurs

Let's see that first

And after that ... Still sit him out.

100% agree

[Marcus Bryant]

I doubt it. Why should the Spurs feel rushed because the Lakers are scared they are not getting Lebron? Spurs know they are not getting Lebron, so they should give no s..

Yes, NFG.