Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[2Cleva]

Go on record: What type of deal would you say shows it was LA in the driver seat? How about Spurs?

SA gets a deal similar to what most stars go for. They get a young prospect (likely Ingram who is the best prospect they can get). They get a future pick. They won't take on a bad K. SA of course wants more. Maybe they get one of LA's cheaper young guys but no one with significant minutes (Kuzma, Hart).

[TekXX]

Comparing this thread to the Lakerground Kawhi thread is hilarious. They think the Spurs are desperate and are about to trade Kawhi to LA for pennies on the dollar, and we think we hold all the leverage as Magic is on the clock and needs to make a deal by Friday for Lebron.

Why would we care if magic is on the clock, that's his problem?

[baseline bum]

Pop does not get fleeced. There will be a good trade or no trade.

The only good trade the Spurs could possibly do is if LeBron tells Philly he's coming if they can get Kawhi and the Spurs tell them give me Ben Simmons or off. Not seeing that happen so the Spurs will get bent over in any trade for Kawhi. Even Tatum + Brown + Sacramento 1st + Memphis 1st for Kawhi would be a huge loser of a trade for the Spurs. If you're expecting a good trade you're going to be really sorry when Kawhi gets moved.

[look_at_g_shred]

Idk why some of y’all want to wait for the deadline to trade Kawhi. IMHO, the deals will be even worse. If we are going to get the LAL or PHILA haul, why wouldn’t you want a full season to build chemistry with all the new pieces?

[BatManu20]

SA gets a deal similar to what most stars go for. They get a young prospect (likely Ingram who is the best prospect they can get). They get a future pick. They won't take on a bad K. SA of course wants more. Maybe they get one of LA's cheaper young guys but no one with significant minutes (Kuzma, Hart).

Considering the Spurs were really high on Kuzma and were likely going to select him before LAL snatched him up two picks before us, I think they’d demand he be included in any package they receive for Kawhi. I think Ingram and Kuzma are the two guys they’d want, plus fillers.

[NASpurs]

The price for Leonard would be substantial. The Lakers could have to surrender a combination of former first-round picks -- from Ingram, Kyle Kuzma and Josh Hart -- and future first-round picks and perhaps restricted free agent Julius Randle in a sign-and-trade agreement.

The Spurs could also push the Lakers to take an unappealing contract off their books. Those are all deal points that would be applicable to leverage, which belongs to the Spurs as long as Lakers president Magic Johnson and general manager Rob Pelinka haven't delivered yet on the promise of a blue-chip free agent.

Bend over Magic.

[TekXX]

The only good trade the Spurs could possibly do is if LeBron tells Philly he's coming if they can get Kawhi and the Spurs tell them give me Ben Simmons or off. Not seeing that happen so the Spurs will get bent over in any trade for Kawhi. Even Tatum + Brown + Sacramento 1st + Memphis 1st for Kawhi would be a huge loser of a trade for the Spurs. If you're expecting a good trade you're going to be really sorry when Kawhi gets moved.

Ok no trade it is.

[Slippy]

It does sort of feel like the Spurs have given up on keeping him long term though. No evidence of that of course. July 1 will be telling. See if they offer Super-max or not....

If theres any truth to versey's tweet that Kawhis decision making is influenced by emotion that would be another good reason for the spurs to sit tight & wait. Time heals wounds. Take the emotion away. 80 or even 40 mill guaranteed money is alot to give up & risky in light of his health concerns.

[2Cleva]

https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status...55988026281985

[baseline bum]

I think when it comes down to it, the Spurs will probably work out a deal with the Lakers. When you get past the anger and just look at it from a basketball perspective, the truth is that I don't think anyone else is going to offer up a substantial package for him unless there's a chance to sign him long term and it really doesn't seem like that's the case. I would say just brace yourself for that and hope that Ingram and Kuzma are better than we think.

I don't think that trade makes any sense until LeBron makes his decision. If James goes to LA with George the Lakers are going to have a really hard time clearing a slot for Leonard in the summer of 2019, at which time the Spurs should be getting better offers from Philly and Boston. For instance, if the Lakers stretch Deng the maximum they'd be able to offer Kawhi in 2019 is 4 years, $99 million if they land James and George.

[DPG21920]

SA gets a deal similar to what most stars go for. They get a young prospect (likely Ingram who is the best prospect they can get). They get a future pick. They won't take on a bad K. SA of course wants more. Maybe they get one of LA's cheaper young guys but no one with significant minutes (Kuzma, Hart).

I’m confused and want to clarify. So you think that if SA gets Ingram + a future LA pick + someone other than Kuzma/Hart that shows LA was in the driver seat? Is that correct?

So if SA gets something like Ingram + Kuzma + multiple picks and/or dumps a contract as well then you will agree SA got over on LA?

[Clipper Nation]

https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status...55988026281985

Wow, great source you have there... a self-described "waste management consultant" who doesn't have a blue checkmark.

[2Cleva]

You gonna keep ducking my question about how the Lakers are signing Kawhi next summer after getting LeBron and PG13? Let's start with what are you doing to open up the last few million dollars of capspace needed for LeBron and PG13? Since that's the first thing the Lakers will have to do in your scenario.

Not at all. Thought I answered. TBD what moves LA makes. If star players want to go places - cap space room is found. LA didn't have cap space for 2 max deals this time last year.

As for this year - LA gets to 2 max spots by using the stretch on Deng. That's the easiest way. If they find a taker who will take his Ks and picks (ATL) they open up space to begin freeing up needed for Kawhi next year.

[RD2191]

I don't think that trade makes any sense until LeBron makes his decision. If James goes to LA with George the Lakers are going to have a really hard time clearing a slot for Leonard in the summer of 2019, at which time the Spurs should be getting better offers from Philly and Boston. For instance, if the Lakers stretch Deng the maximum they'd be able to offer Kawhi in 2019 is 4 years, $99 million if they land James and George.

Assuming LBJ and PG both sign for the max

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status...55988026281985

Quoting a guy from Hoopsworld.

I still remember those gots reporting Karl Malone was signing with the Spurs when the press conference the team called was to announce the retirement of Sean Elliott's jersey.

[RD2191]

Quoting a guy from Hoopsworld.

I still remember those gots reporting Karl Malone was signing with the Spurs when the press conference the team called was to announce the retirement of Sean Elliott's jersey.

That's why he's been retired for a while.

[baseline bum]

Not at all. Thought I answered. TBD what moves LA makes. If star players want to go places - cap space room is found. LA didn't have cap space for 2 max deals this time last year.

As for this year - LA gets to 2 max spots by using the stretch on Deng. That's the easiest way. If they find a taker who will take his Ks and picks (ATL) they open up space to begin freeing up needed for Kawhi next year.

Go do the math on how much cap space the Lakers would have next summer under a $108 million cap if they stretch Deng and clear every salary out other than those for James and George. Tell me how much they can offer Kawhi next summer in that case. Then tell me why Kawhi is signing for that.

[2Cleva]

I’m confused and want to clarify. So you think that if SA gets Ingram + a future LA pick + someone other than Kuzma/Hart that shows LA was in the driver seat? Is that correct?

So if SA gets something like Ingram + Kuzma + multiple picks and/or dumps a contract as well then you will agree SA got over on LA?

If they get Ingram and Kuz - yeah, they would have gotten over. I'm still not complaining when LA ends up with LeBron, Kawhi and PG - regardless of who they give up.

Wow, great source you have there... a self-described "waste management consultant" who doesn't have a blue checkmark.

Yannis is longtime connected. Was at Yahoo with Woj and Sham.

[Spurs9]

Considering the Spurs were really high on Kuzma and were likely going to select him before LAL snatched him up two picks before us, I think they’d demand he be included in any package they receive for Kawhi. I think Ingram and Kuzma are the two guys they’d want, plus fillers.

Both players have high upside, they are both on really good contracts. We basically won 47 games without Kawhi last year. Add some pieces to a trade package with those 2 players involved and I don't see how the Spurs would be upset getting them back. The Warriors are already a juggernaut, if a team with Lebron and Kawhi help break that up, its not such a bad thing. Both Ingram/Kuz are going to improve alot this season too.

[baseline bum]

Assuming LBJ and PG both sign for the max

James will never take a penny less than max ever again as he announced when leaving Miami. Paul George isn't taking a $7.36 million paycut on his base salary to offset the cap hit from stretching Deng's money over five years. That paycut would cost him more than $31 million on the full contract.

[baseline bum]

If they get Ingram and Kuz - yeah, they would have gotten over.

You're just full of funny today.

[Mr. Body]

I don't want to watch Brandon Ingram every year. His tats look ing terrible and he looks like he just smoked a gourd as big as a house.

[RD2191]

I don't want to watch Brandon Ingram every year. His tats look ing terrible and he looks like he just smoked a gourd as big as a house.

You'll watch him and you'll like it.

[KDKSpurs24]

I think when it comes down to it, the Spurs will probably work out a deal with the Lakers. When you get past the anger and just look at it from a basketball perspective, the truth is that I don't think anyone else is going to offer up a substantial package for him unless there's a chance to sign him long term and it really doesn't seem like that's the case. I would say just brace yourself for that and hope that Ingram and Kuzma are better than we think.

[Capt Bringdown]

Lakers have trash roster, why would the spurs want any of their garbage?