Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy Retiring

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killing children is

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is it supreme court's job to tell people to wear condoms?

that the pregnancy could have been avoided either by abstinence or contraception is none of the court's business

kids inside the womb are just much kids as a 1 month old outside the womb


if spur raider21 left a one month old baby in a car and she or he died from the heat or cold spurraider21 would be charged with murder




liberals are all for kids that are not legal citizens for their rights but not legal citizens for the unborn

[baseline bum]

no shoot the would be raper who is trying to make the woman pregnant so she does not want an abortion

You said abortion could be an option if the mother dies too. How would you kill her to abort?

[monosylab1k]

Rent free

He’s your understudy, I’m just sayin he’s doing a great job.

[spurraider21]

kids inside the womb are just much kids as a 1 month old outside the womb

this is why there is no cons utional right to an abortion post-viability. at that point the state's interest in the child is great enough to outweigh the mother's choice

if spur raider21 left a one month old baby in a car and she or he died from the heat or cold spurraider21 would be charged with murder

of course. or at the very least negligent homicide

liberals are all for kids that are not legal citizens for their rights but not legal citizens for the unborn

differentiate between born and unborn.

[Trill Clinton]

Is there a non troll take on the significance of this? So far all I see is how people are just happy to troll liberals. Nothing about how this affects America as a whole.

[ducks]

this is why there is no cons utional right to an abortion post-viability. at that point the state's interest in the child is great enough to outweigh the mother's choice


of course. or at the very least negligent homicide


differentiate between born and unborn.

the unborn you can not see but you can feel that is the only difference

[spurraider21]

the unborn you can not see but you can feel that is the only difference

it's really about viability. which is the point at which the child can survive outside the mother. if you are before that point, its the mothers call. if you are after that point, the state can step in and stop an abortion

[Chris]

Is there a non troll take on the significance of this? So far all I see is how people are just happy to troll liberals. Nothing about how this affects America as a whole.

Troll Clinton lookin for non troll takes.

[Chris]

[Trill Clinton]

Troll Clinton lookin for non troll takes.

I don't do the troll thing.

[Chucho]

Is there a non troll take on the significance of this? So far all I see is how people are just happy to troll liberals. Nothing about how this affects America as a whole.

It's no different than Libs who troll Repubs about Russia. But, no political bias, right?

[Chris]

I don't do the troll thing.

My arse in a blender.

[rmt]

it's really about viability. which is the point at which the child can survive outside the mother. if you are before that point, its the mothers call. if you are after that point, the state can step in and stop an abortion

According to studies between 2003 and 2005, 20 to 35 percent of babies born at 23 weeks of gestation survive, while 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive. It is rare for a baby weighing less than 500 g (17.6 ounces) to survive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

Is that for all states? Don't the liberal ones allow late stage abortions? Does it take 6 months to decide to have an abortion?

The survival rate now is probably better than in 2005.

[spurraider21]

According to studies between 2003 and 2005, 20 to 35 percent of babies born at 23 weeks of gestation survive, while 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive. It is rare for a baby weighing less than 500 g (17.6 ounces) to survive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

Is that for all states? Don't the liberal ones allow late stage abortions? Does it take 6 months to decide to have an abortion?

The survival rate now is probably better than in 2005.

states can allow them as late as they want.

but the cons utional protections are different. thats the limit at which states cannot restrict them

[baseline bum]

if spur raider21 left a one month old baby in a car and she or he died from the heat or cold spurraider21 would be charged with murder

What if he peed in front of a 13 year old one?

[rmt]

states can allow them as late as they want.

but the cons utional protections are different. thats the limit at which states cannot restrict them

The point of viability keeps moving as technology improves? So, say, Alabama can't restrict abortions before 24-25 (or 23 or whatever it is now) weeks?

[spurraider21]

The point of viability keeps moving as technology improves?

yup. that was the big ramification of planned parenthood v casey in the late 90's. after roe v wade, they used the trimester system... as in during the first trimester, it was nearly impossible to restrict abortion, and in the third trimester, state could basically do whatever it wanted, and 2nd trimester was the gray area.

after Casey, they scrapped that and instead looked at pre and post viability. and yes, as medicine/technology progresses, viability gets pushed closer and closer to conception.

So, say, Alabama can't restrict abortions before 24-25 (or 23 or whatever it is now) weeks?

it's not that they "can't restrict" but any restriction would face strict scrutiny. basically the state would need to show that the restriction is necessary to further a compelling state interest. which effectively means they cant barring something extraordinary. this is what is referred to as strict scrutiny. there's an expression that goes "strict in theory, fatal in fact" which means "strict scrutiny" is basically legal code for "you cant touch it"

i'm not sure exactly what week it is... and i dont think its really a bright line of how many weeks. its more of a case by case basis where the doctor determines the viability at that point.


but the general rule would be:

before viability, there is a cons utionally protected right to have an abortion, which states cant infringe on (rationale being at that point, the mother's interest of privacy/choice outweigh the state's interest in preserving the potential life)

after viability, states can pass restrictions, as the cons utional protections are much weaker here.


overturning roe would basically scrap the entire notion of a cons utionally protected right to have an abortion at any stage, which would open the door for states to pass complete bans. but even then, states like CA or NY will still allow abortions. the misconception is that overturning roe = outlawing abortion federally

[rmt]

yup. that was the big ramification of planned parenthood v casey in the late 90's. after roe v wade, they used the trimester system... as in during the first trimester, it was nearly impossible to restrict abortion, and in the third trimester, state could basically do whatever it wanted, and 2nd trimester was the gray area.

after Casey, they scrapped that and instead looked at pre and post viability. and yes, as medicine/technology progresses, viability gets pushed closer and closer to conception.


it's not that they "can't restrict" but any restriction would face strict scrutiny. basically the state would need to show that the restriction is necessary to further a compelling state interest. which effectively means they cant barring something extraordinary. this is what is referred to as strict scrutiny. there's an expression that goes "strict in theory, fatal in fact" which means "strict scrutiny" is basically legal code for "you cant touch it"

i'm not sure exactly what week it is... and i dont think its really a bright line of how many weeks. its more of a case by case basis where the doctor determines the viability at that point.


but the general rule would be:

before viability, there is a cons utionally protected right to have an abortion, which states cant infringe on (rationale being at that point, the mother's interest of privacy/choice outweigh the state's interest in preserving the potential life)

after viability, states can pass restrictions, as the cons utional protections are much weaker here.


overturning roe would basically scrap the entire notion of a cons utionally protected right to have an abortion at any stage, which would open the door for states to pass complete bans. but even then, states like CA or NY will still allow abortions. the misconception is that overturning roe = outlawing abortion federally

Thanks for the thorough explanation.

[spurraider21]

although if something truly nutty happens and not only does SCOTUS overturn Roe but then also establishes that abortions themselves are uncons utional... i'd think you'd see a revolution tbh

[Chris]

21 big timing again.

[boutons_deux]

although if something truly nutty happens and not only does SCOTUS overturn Roe but then also establishes that abortions themselves are uncons utional... i'd think you'd see a revolution tbh

nah, americans are too busy eating themselves sick and watching teevee

I expect a pro-birth assholes will push sooner or later a suit to a right wing appeals courts and/or SCOTUS claiming abortion is murder from conception, therefore always illegal.

[monosylab1k]

21 big timing again.

Well hey, at least you got him beat at misinterpreting Bible verses to fit your political beliefs.

[Chris]

Well hey, at least you got him beat at misinterpreting Bible verses to fit your political beliefs.

Looks like you misinterpreted my post trying to get your snark in.

[Spurtacular]

boom

key swing vote on a lot of issues...

Many liberals have told me that SC justices just go by the book. You have nothing to worry about, obviously.