Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Spurs9]

Get a third team involved. Somehow get KAT down here, he wants out of Minnesota.

Sign and trade Randle + Ball to Wolves, Kawhi +Gasol to Lakers, KAT, Ingram, Kuzma to Spurs?

[RD2191]

I agree. You're going to enjoy paying a max salary to Ingram in two years when he's at best a Millsap level player? Or you let him walk and then you got less than nothing since you spent two years developing him? People overrate B-level talent on rookie contracts so much here. Everyone loves these guys until they get their first real contract they negotiate.

So then what's the plan? Rebuild in free agency?

[Vic Petro]

Any trade you make with any team has to include at least one draft pick that has a reasonable chance of landing top 5 in the lottery. If the Lakers can trade Ball for that sort of pick, I’m willing to talk. But I don’t trade with them for that pu pu platter and a 25-30 pick.

[cutewizard]

All told....one of the most interesting offseason in Spurs history

[tbdog]

I'm not sure where to begin.



Agreed (take a look at his jump shot).



? He's not a shot creator? -- the only thing this guy can do is pass. His talent is not as an off guard (he shot 36% from the field).



He does move well without the ball, but, again, he's a point guard. If he has to make it as a two (with that shot) his career will not be lengthy.

Have a look at Jason Kidd's numbers as a Rookie.
Kidd: 11.7ppg, 38% 5.4reb. 7.7ast
Ball: 10.2ppg 36% 6.9reb 7.2ast

Ball is a combo guard. A Diaw of guards. A manu without the scoring (yet). His shot is broken, but its actually his lower body and not the shot mechanics in the wrist. I am sure it could be fixed. And I am sure Buford has asked English if he could fix Ball's shot. If the answer is yes, then you are going to get a good player.

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Sad to see Spur fans already cucking and conceding to the Lakers. Where's you guys' pride? You actually want the Lakers' trash?

Not just no, but no. them.

PATFO is gonna make Spurs ing irate if they make a cuck deal, which is why they won't. If they make a trade, it will be for something "substantial."

If they do that, I'll take it.

That said, I would hope they don't do a ing thing for weeks. Make Bron and PG make a decision first.

[RD2191]

Have a look at Jason Kidd's numbers as a Rookie.
Kidd: 11.7ppg, 38% 5.4reb. 7.7ast
Ball: 10.2ppg 36% 6.9reb 7.2ast

Ball is a combo guard. A Diaw of guards. A manu without the scoring (yet). His shot is broken, but its actually his lower body and not the shot mechanics in the wrist. I am sure it could be fixed. And I am sure Buford has asked English if he could fix Ball's shot. If the answer is yes, then you are going to get a good player.

Ball is fine, the circus his father will bring though.

[Trainwreck2100]

You have to put emotion behind you, and look after yourself. You keep Kawhi next year and he walks for nothing. He’s leaving so might as well get the best start to a rebuild/retool . Kawhi gives you a headstart.

Aldridge went to Pop and asked for a trade last year, pop told him no and there's the door, if he cowtows to Kawhi without a semblance of a fair deal then nothing is going to stop Aldridge from doing it again.

[Mugen]

So the Spurs do a complete 180 and are now willing to engage the Lakers in a span of like 7 hours

[baseline bum]

So then what's the plan? Rebuild in free agency?

So the plan is max out players the other team doesn't want? You think the Mills and Gasol contracts are bad wait until seeing Randle and Ingram on max deals.

[LkrFan]

So the Spurs do a complete 180 and are now willing to engage the Lakers in a span of like 7 hours

I hope RC don't make Maginka grab his ankles and bite his bottom lip tho

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I hope RC don't make Maginka grab his ankles and bite his bottom lip tho

I hope not either since Magic is HIV positive.

[DPG21920]

The deal has to be one of two things for me to be happy with Kawhi getting his way:

1. Ingram + Kuz + a good asset from trading Lonzo (like a great pick and/or a really solid young player that doesn’t play PG). For sake of argument lets say Josh Jackson for Lonzo so Ingram + Kuz + Jackson

2. If LA isn’t willing to move all 3 of Ingram, Kuz and Ball or can’t, then SA gets Ingram + Kuz for Kawhi and then also gets Julius in a S&T for Pau AND Mills (since Pau can be flipped easily if they needed to or waived next year).

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Sign and trade Randle + Ball to Wolves, Kawhi +Gasol to Lakers, KAT, Ingram, Kuzma to Spurs?

Now that would be intriguing. Wodbe nice to have a big that can score alongside LMA

[Mugen]

The deal has to be one of two things for me to be happy with Kawhi getting his way:

1. Ingram + Kuz + a good asset from trading Lonzo (like a great pick and/or a really solid young player that doesn’t play PG). For sake of argument lets say Josh Jackson for Lonzo so Ingram + Kuz + Jackson

2. If LA isn’t willing to move all 3 of Ingram, Kuz and Ball or can’t, then SA gets Ingram + Kuz for Kawhi and then also gets Julius in a S&T for Pau AND Mills (since Pau can be flipped easily if they needed to or waived next year).

#1 isn't realistic and #2 is straight trash homie.

[LkrFan]

I hope not either since Magic is HIV positive.

[baseline bum]

Have a look at Jason Kidd's numbers as a Rookie.
Kidd: 11.7ppg, 38% 5.4reb. 7.7ast
Ball: 10.2ppg 36% 6.9reb 7.2ast

Ball is a combo guard. A Diaw of guards. A manu without the scoring (yet). His shot is broken, but its actually his lower body and not the shot mechanics in the wrist. I am sure it could be fixed. And I am sure Buford has asked English if he could fix Ball's shot. If the answer is yes, then you are going to get a good player.

Ball is a of a talent but no way the Spurs are going to want to deal with his father's bull . If Lavar had a heart attack tomorrow I think Lonzo would be a much better prospect than Brown and without that circus he'd be someone I'd be comfortable with as the centerpiece of a Leonard trade. But if there was no Lavar, Lonzo would likely be untouchable.

[RD2191]

So the plan is max out players the other team doesn't want? You think the Mills and Gasol contracts are bad wait until seeing Randle and Ingram on max deals.

What choice do the Spurs have? they might turn out to be good to great players. Pop is gone in a few seasons anyways and we'll really be ed then. Looks like this is over tbh

[baseline bum]

What choice do the Spurs have? they might turn out to be good to great players. Pop is gone in a few seasons anyways and we'll really be ed then. Looks like this is over tbh

It's over either way rob.

[Mr. Body]

The deal has to be one of two things for me to be happy with Kawhi getting his way:

1. Ingram + Kuz + a good asset from trading Lonzo (like a great pick and/or a really solid young player that doesn’t play PG). For sake of argument lets say Josh Jackson for Lonzo so Ingram + Kuz + Jackson

2. If LA isn’t willing to move all 3 of Ingram, Kuz and Ball or can’t, then SA gets Ingram + Kuz for Kawhi and then also gets Julius in a S&T for Pau AND Mills (since Pau can be flipped easily if they needed to or waived next year).

I don't think you're going to be very happy...

[Clipper Nation]

What choice do the Spurs have?

If you're getting trash in return no matter what, you could choose to get trash from a team that isn't the Lakers, tbh.

[KDKSpurs24]

I agree. You're going to enjoy paying a max salary to Ingram in two years when he's at best a Millsap level player? Or you let him walk and then you got less than nothing since you spent two years developing him? People overrate B-level talent on rookie contracts so much here. Everyone loves these guys until they get their first real contract they negotiate.

But the same can be said about people hating on this guy until he develops and proves them wrong. Both are possibilities. I saw an earlier tweet about when a guy said Pacers didn’t get any good assets for Paul George and then people started defending Oladipo. But the truth is, the guy was right. Oladipo had just come off a terrible playoffs and no one could have seen the leap he’d make this year. So there still is that possibility that we get that type of development from Ingram. And better yet, our deal would also have Kuzma. The benefit is that we could have TWO guys develop to that level from our trade. But at the end of the day, we’re not gonna be getting an equal trade right now but maybe it could turn out to be a good return for us in the future, especially if our development team lives up to their hype.

[tbdog]

Ball is a of a talent but no way the Spurs are going to want to deal with his father's bull . If Lavar had a heart attack tomorrow I think Lonzo would be a much better prospect than Brown and without that circus he'd be someone I'd be comfortable with as the centerpiece of a Leonard trade. But if there was no Lavar, Lonzo would likely be untouchable.

Yeah I agree. But in saying that, I still think Lonzo is Spurs system is a dream for him, and him alone (not with his dad attached) And if his dad is too much, or believe he will be too much and won't stay away, I still think you can nab a prospect like Jackson from the Suns.

[RD2191]

It's over either way rob.

Don't say that! Don't ever say that! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?!?!?

[Vic Petro]

They ain’t trading Mills. Must protect the culture at all costs