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ingram's advanced stats were atrocious across the board last year, despite his decent box score averages. his offense looks like rich man's kyle anderson but his defense is
yeah, that’s why i don’t think anything of them.The reality is that if these guys had played for the Pistons or Hornets last year, nobody would think anything of them
ingram's advanced stats were atrocious across the board last year, despite his decent box score averages. his offense looks like rich man's kyle anderson but his defense is
I hear ya hey I prefer we keep Kuz anyways.
Not saying Tatum can be a sure #1 on a contender like KL ...but Of those guys I woudl bet on him first if my life depended on it.
the other thing i like about BI besides Jackson and Brown he the only other guy I see being a real impact on both sides. Tatum and fultz will try on that end and Fultz and Tatum show decent instincts on defense.
But because they are offense first guys I doubt they will ever get after it consistently like KL has shown and even Brown to a lessor extent. BI has shown flashes of good defense but I think brown is better on that end.
OF that group I think Ingram will be the best playmaker even over Fultz.
gotta watch him.
he is improving on defense.
He also played a lot of mins out of position.
I'm not sure why Covington would bee out of the deal; I'm sure Philly would rather keep Saric than Covington, though the Spurs might value Saric move than Covington.
Covington, Fultz, Bayless, J. Anderson, Parsekniks, and Miami's 2021 pick for Kawhi and Mills
Murray-Parker
Fultz-Manu?, White-Walker,
Covington-Green-J. Anderson
Anderson-Bertans
Aldridge-Gasol- Milutinov?
*Spurs could waive Bayless if roster spots are an issue.
If this was another team, I'd probably take the deal if it was Ingram, a lottery pick(top 3 protected at worst) from a mediocre to bad team(that they would acquire from trading Lonzo), another mid-to-late 1st and filler..
But the fact that it's the Lakers and that the Spurs would be bringing them back to life is the part that makes it difficultthose pieces are not worth the loss of dignity..
Such a difficult position for Pop, though..trying to balance the well-being of the franchise vs. giving the man who quit on you what he demands vs. helping the Lakers..a few months after losing your wife..
It's like this is a used car salesman trying to sell us a lemon.
Without CP3, The Rockets are just a no D playing, 3 point chucking, championship contending wannabe like they were last year.
First Kuz throwing out cryptic tweets, now Hart.
My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidalBrandon Ingram's past season, which some considered a "breakout" :
13.8 PER(overrated stat, but still relevant for high usage players), 53.6 TS%(ew), .068 WS per 48(disgusting) and NEGATIVE on/off metrics..
I don't have a problem with anybody being intrigued by his potential, he's only entering year 3 in the NBA, but he's shown nothing special so far in the league..he's had 1 notable month in 2 seasons..if you compare him to star wing players of the 2000s/2010s, only Giannis(who is more of a PF) showed as little as Ingram has through 2 seasons..
Kuzma is largely irrelevant..comparing him to Bertans is silly
I don't know anything about Ingram in that way, never heard anything about him off the court, but I'd bet a lot that Kuzma would suffer severe depression from leaving them..I haaaatteee s like that, the worst kind, typical Nick Young, social media coons..My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal
That's my concern about these trades. To be frank, Kawhi ed his trade value to the point where the best package we realistically may get is Ingram, Kuzma, and maybe Hart. Ingram, particularly, is probably going to want more money than he is worth in three years, and none of the them will probably have a lot of interest in staying around long term.My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal
Only guys I can recall playing better after the Lakers traded them was Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Campbell but then again all 3 of those guys hated the way the LA media treated them while they were on the Lakers.My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal
Replace Hart with Wagner and I’d feel 10x better
It's like this is a used car salesman trying to sell us a lemon.
ingram is from hole kinston nc, san antonio might as well be London compared to thatMy issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal
So three mid round picks including the Spurs in a weak draft year. Meh
I've watched him several times, he just doesn't seem like that good of a prospect; then theres the numbers which definitely don't seem to suggest that he's going to be an all-star caliber player.
Kuzma definitely seems like a huge got tbh
I think the picks would be in 2019 and 2021, so the Spurs would have two picks in those years, still a bad deal even if it was for 3.
Ingram may not be that player right now, but his ceiling is high imo. He may will or not reach it but from watching Laker games I think he can
kuzma is ryan anderson with more melanin.
San Antonio Spurs Almost Ready to Cut Ties With Kawhi Leonard
The San Antonio Spurs are moving closer to cutting ties with their superstar forward Kawhi Leonard, according to two people familiar with the team’s thinking, though the timetable on a potential trade remains unclear.
Realizing that hopes of repairing its damaged relationship with Leonard are fading by the day, San Antonio is ready to move on from Leonard provided that a palatable trade offer materializes this off-season, according to the people, who were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.
The Spurs have until the N.B.A.’s annual trade deadline in February 2019 to keep weighing their options before they risk losing Leonard without compensation when he becomes a free agent next summer.
But the Los Angeles Lakers and the Philadelphia 76ers have been pressing the Spurs to trade Leonard this week, as both teams believe that acquiring Leonard would put them in pole position to try to sign LeBron James away from the Cleveland Cavaliers when free agency starts Sunday at 12:01 a.m., Eastern time.
The Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Clippers are also known trade suitors for Leonard, whose reported desire to be dealt — to one of the Los Angeles teams, preferably the Lakers — emerged earlier this month.
The growing uncertainty about Leonard’s future has thus become perhaps the second-biggest story line in the league next to James’s third career foray into free agency. James has until 11:59 p.m. Friday to formally decline his $35.6 million option with Cleveland for next season, which would allow the Lakers, the 76ers and the Houston Rockets to begin their bids in earnest to try to persuade James, a three-time N.B.A. champion and Northeast Ohio native, to leave his home-state Cavaliers.
Other marquee free agents include the Houston All-Star guard Chris Paul, who is widely expected to stay with the Rockets after they came within one win of an N.B.A. finals berth, as well as the Oklahoma City Thunder star forward Paul George, who grew up in Southern California and is deciding between a move to his hometown Lakers and staying with the Thunder.
Kevin Durant, the reigning two-time N.B.A. finals most valuable player, will also become a free agent on Sunday, but Durant has this month said repeatedly that he intends to stay with the Golden State Warriors after winning back-to-back championships in his first two seasons in the Bay Area.
The Lakers’ pursuit of Leonard, a two-time N.B.A. defensive player of the year, could hinge on San Antonio’s willingness to trade him to its longtime Western Conference rivals, especially since the Spurs naturally fear that the acquisition of Leonard would lead to the Lakers adding James or George, or both.
But Leonard’s reported desire to play out the final season of his contract and sign with the Lakers in July 2019 as a free agent could prevent teams such as Boston and Philadelphia from matching the Lakers’ best trade offer for Leonard. The Lakers could assemble a trade package featuring highly rated up-and-coming players such as Kyle Kuzma, Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart as well as multiple first-round picks.
The Lakers could likewise decide that it’s counterproductive to give up so much in a trade for Leonard if he is willing to sign with them in free agency in a year. That’s the painful conclusion the Knicks reached after they gave up so much to acquire the All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony in February 2011 and struggled thereafter to build a quality roster around him.
The Lakers, though, took the patient approach a year ago when the Indiana Pacers made George available via trade, figuring that they would be able to comfortably sign him this summer. The Thunder jumped in, however, with a trade for George, who has enjoyed his time alongside the All-Star guard Russell Westbrook and has given increased consideration in recent weeks to staying in Oklahoma City — perhaps on a two-year deal that would allow George to return to free agency as early as July 2019.
Another factor affecting Leonard’s fate is his health. The lingering effects from a mysterious quadriceps injury limited the 2014 N.B.A. finals M.V.P. to nine games last season and could make teams like Boston — the club widely hailed as possessing the league’s most attractive collection of trade pieces — hesitant to make the Spurs an asset-rich offer.
San Antonio Coach Gregg Popovich recently met face-to-face with Leonard in San Diego in an attempted first step toward repairing the team’s fractured partnership with its best player. But the summit appears to have done little to dampen Leonard’s desire to move on, despite the fact that San Antonio is the only team in the league capable of offering him a five-year “supermax” extension between mid-July and mid-October worth an estimated $219 million.
The frosty state of the partnership was clear during San Antonio’s first-round playoff loss to Golden State, when Leonard, 26, continued his injury rehabilitation away from the team and attended none of the Spurs’ five postseason games. ESPN reported this month that Leonard felt “the franchise turned on him” during the season once he started receiving outside treatment for his quadriceps tendinopathy in New York.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/s...orts&smtyp=cur
The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.
Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.
Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).
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