Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[SpursBills]

My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal

I agree with this. If you have to trade Kawhi for young players, may as well trade for someone just starting a rookie contract. I'd give another call to Memphis. Kawhi for Parsons, Jaren Jackson Jr, future 1st rounder and see if they'll bite. They get an all nba player to make a playoff run next year with Gasol and Conley, and get Parsons' contract off the books. Spurs get a future all-defense building block with 4 years left on his contract who can get indoctrinated into spurs culture early.

[cd021]

Brandon Ingram's past season, which some considered a "breakout" :

13.8 PER(overrated stat, but still relevant for high usage players), 53.6 TS%(ew), .068 WS per 48(disgusting) and NEGATIVE on/off metrics..

For those wanting a baseline; 15 P.E.R, 56% TS% and .100 win shares per 48 minutes is about league average.

Also his rookie numbers were horrid; 8.5 P.E.R, 47% TS, and -.007 win shares per 48 minutes (I thought I was reading that wrong)

[baseline bum]

Kuzma definitely seems like a huge got tbh

He'd fit right in on this roster then.

[Spurs9]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).

Of course I would do it, thats a nice haul for Kawhi. Other teams aren't going to nearly offer that much.

[BatManu20]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).

I don’t see why the Suns would trade Jackson for Lonzo at this point, especially with how ing annoying and cancerous his is. You’d have a better chance of getting Mikal Bridges from them than Jackson imo.

[exstatic]

I'm not sure why Covington would bee out of the deal; I'm sure Philly would rather keep Saric than Covington, though the Spurs might value Saric move than Covington.

Covington, Fultz, Bayless, J. Anderson, Parsekniks, and Miami's 2021 pick for Kawhi and Mills

Murray-Parker
Fultz-Manu?, White-Walker,
Covington-Green-J. Anderson
Anderson-Bertans
Aldridge-Gasol- Milutinov?

*Spurs could waive Bayless if roster spots are an issue.

Covington is 27, has never been even a league average player by PER, and is slated to make $45-46M over the next four years. DO NOT WANT.

[MoSpur02]

which is why the Spurs haven't just paid him up... though at this point it's really tough to believe anything.

From what I have been told him and his group want the max deal. Spurs aren't wanting to commit all that money because of the question mark regarding his health.

[RD2191]

He'd fit right in on this roster then.

[BatManu20]

Covington is 27, has never been even a league average player by PER, and is slated to make $45-46M over the next four years. DO NOT WANT.

Seconded. He’s overpaid and overrated, and 20 year-old Tatum ripped him a new asshole in the playoffs this year. Exposed that “great defense” he supposedly played.

[DPG21920]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).

Of course! Im just thinking at this point it doesn’t look like that is remotely possible but that is what myself and Eric have been proposing all along.

[ducks]

How would New York writer know anything

[cd98]

Welp. It's not like the Spurs would get Brandon Ingram and have three years to develop him. They would have one year and after that one year, they would have to decide how much they want to pay him because he'd become a restricted free agent. So regardless of what you think of his potential, he is still a project and the Spurs don't have but a year to decide if he is worth serious financial investment.

[DPG21920]

I don’t see why the Suns would trade Jackson for Lonzo at this point, especially with how ing annoying and cancerous his is. You’d have a better chance of getting Mikal Bridges from them than Jackson imo.

PHX desperately needs a prospect and for all the hate, Lonzo is still an amazing prospect.

[picnroll]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).

I’d do it if it yielded Bomba. Then I’d see what I could parlay Ingram and Kuzma for in the way of picks.

[DPG21920]

Welp. It's not like the Spurs would get Brandon Ingram and have three years to develop him. They would have one year and after that one year, they would have to decide how much they want to pay him because he'd become a restricted free agent. So regardless of what you think of his potential, he is still a project and the Spurs don't have but a year to decide if he is worth serious financial investment.

Spurs would get 2 years, not just one. Next year is fully guaranteed, then the year after is a team option. It would be year 3 where it’s a qualifying offer.

[cd98]

I’d do it if it yielded Bomba. Then I’d see what I could parlay Ingram and Kuzma for in the way of picks.

Take with a grain of salt. You think the Magic are going to part with Bomba, who they just drafted? For Ball and the headaches his dad brings? And the fact that Ball can't shoot?

My take is Bomba isn't on the market for that asking price.

[spurraider21]

Covington is 27, has never been even a league average player by PER, and is slated to make $45-46M over the next four years. DO NOT WANT.

enough of your PER crap, especially for a guy who isn't a volume scorer. he grades well by virtually every advanced metric you can find

[DPG21920]

enough of your PER crap, especially for a guy who isn't a volume scorer. he grades well by virtually every advanced metric you can find

Covington is definitely overrated by the stats crowd but yeah, he’s not some terrible player on an awful deal. I would would not care if he was not in a deal, but I would be totally fine if he was as a Danny replacement.

[Clipper Nation]

Clips have no one like that and so to me it's Ingram AFTER Tatum.

Tobias Harris is better than Ingram right now, and it's far from a guarantee that Ingram ever surpasses him.

[exstatic]

enough of your PER crap, especially for a guy who isn't a volume scorer. he grades well by virtually every advanced metric you can find

He's nothing. You don't pay 'nothing' $11M per year. That's a worse deal than Patty, who actually produced at one point and contributed to a championship. The deal also runs longer than Patty's.

Let's be clear. This is a rebuild. You DO NOT take on ty contracts like this during a rebuild.

[spurraider21]

Seconded. He’s overpaid and overrated, and 20 year-old Tatum ripped him a new asshole in the playoffs this year. Exposed that “great defense” he supposedly played.

#3 in DRPM, only behind Gobert and Roberson
#1 in defensive win shares

[picnroll]

Take with a grain of salt. You think the Magic are going to part with Bomba, who they just drafted? For Ball and the headaches his dad brings? And the fact that Ball can't shoot?

My take is Bomba isn't on the market for that asking price.

Didn’t say or think it was. That was just the proposed offer. I think Bomba, based on how he progressed last year and his tools, is going to be a stud.

[DPG21920]

He's nothing. You don't pay 'nothing' $11M per year. That's a worse deal than Patty, who actually produced at one point and contributed to a championship. The deal also runs longer than Patty's.

Let's be clear. This is a rebuild. You DO NOT take on ty contracts like this during a rebuild.

You think this is a reset rebuild but it’s not at this point. Adding all the PHI stuff to the 47 win team plus other moves keeps you rebuilding and a playoff team. SA probably wants that in a perfect world.

If you know you are trading LMA too? Sure, I agree. But if you are not, getting Covington makes sense.

[spurraider21]

He's nothing. You don't pay 'nothing' $11M per year. That's a worse deal than Patty, who actually produced at one point and contributed to a championship. The deal also runs longer than Patty's.

Let's be clear. This is a rebuild. You DO NOT take on ty contracts like this during a rebuild.

a) he's not nothing. he's one of the best defensive players in the league. offensively he isn't much to look at. not as good a shooter as peak danny, but he's a better athlete in transition and even in the half court game

b) he's not on a ty contract. he has a contract similar to the one green is just coming off of, but during a time where the cap is greater. so adjusted for inflation, he's cheaper than what we have had danny for

c) i view the length of his contract as an asset. means you have him locked up on good terms for a long time

[DPG21920]

Take with a grain of salt. You think the Magic are going to part with Bomba, who they just drafted? For Ball and the headaches his dad brings? And the fact that Ball can't shoot?

My take is Bomba isn't on the market for that asking price.

I 100% think that ORL would trade Bamba for Lonzo right now. Absolutely