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    I'm at the point I just want the Spurs to get rid of this cancer.

    My new theory is Kawhi has messed himself up juicing. We all noticed he had bulked up when he briefly came back. Explains the personality change, mystery tendon injury, and the doctor shopping.

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    Shocker.

    Well, that did it. He's really gone push our in next year. 12 for 12 from 3. You heard it here first.

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    Oh and I think that if I were the Spurs, and the offers weren't getting any better than we heard today, that I would just call Kawhi's bluff and say, "OK, well you are under contract, see you in training camp."
    Outside of landing Tatum or a great Boston deal, I've resigned myself to this. Make Leonard step up one last time and answer for himself on media day.

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    Miami suddenly rumored to be in the mix. I doubt it, but never count Pat Riley out. Wonder what a package from their side would look like though.. probably something like:

    -Dragic
    -Winslow
    -Adebayo
    -Future 1st Round picks
    -Take on Patty’s contract

    Spurs get a good (albeit aging — turned 32 last month) PG in Dragic who Pop has always liked, a young developmental SF in Winslow (just turned 22), a young/athletic big in Adebayo on a cheap Rookie contract, future draft picks, rid themselves of Patty’s deal, and they don’t help the Lakers create the next superteam.


    Just talking out of my ass here, but you never know. Maybe Lebron considers going back to Miami then to play with Kawhi and D-Wade, ing over the Lakers in the process. If only..

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    Miami has nothing to offer, Riley has done such a horrendous job since LeBron left..too much pride, should have bottomed out..

    Ainge almost killing Boston's future by trading it all for Justise Winslow..

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    Kawhi doesn’t like playing in SA. He doesn’t like the straight laced atmosphere or “hierarchy” that Pop has in place. It’s not really a slight to either side, but is what it is... kawhi just doesn’t have the maturity or confidence to be able to articulate this to Pop. Pop also probably has not picked up on the signs that maybe Kawhi has not been comfortable.

    I honestly feel like Kawhi has just turned to his uncle and has asked him to get him out so he doesn’t have to face the cameras. He just doesn’t seem to have the confidence to say what he wants except through his mouthpieces.

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    He's under contract. Honour that contract and tell him he has to play it out if the offers suck. Make an example out of him if he wants to try and bend the Spurs over like a lot of other superstars have done to their teams in the past. The Spurs do not ever have to be the ones that cave like lots of other teams have done in NBA history when their superstar wants out.

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    Yea obviously it’s not ideal... I’m just spitballing here. But if we’re forced to trade him and other teams are being stingy chodes, then this is likely an option. Just saying. Better than helping the Lakers tbh, unless they throw the farm at us, which seems highly unlikely.

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    Make Leonard step up one last time and answer for himself on media day.
    What happens if Kawhi retires (at least until his contract with the Spurs is over)?

    I'm sure there are rules to prevent a player from getting an advantage by doing this, but it would be interesting to know.

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    Steven a Smith saying that Pop and Kawhi talked and that Kawhi said he wanted out because it wasn't fun

    If that is true it sounds like Kawhi is a small, dumb kid running out of excuses on why he didn't clean his room. Keep on him long enough and he'll run out of excuses.

    When that happens, there will be a breakthrough.

    But you have to get through all the crap first, and need to be tough enough to take it.

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    I'm at the point I just want the Spurs to get rid of this cancer.

    My new theory is Kawhi has messed himself up juicing. We all noticed he had bulked up when he briefly came back. Explains the personality change, mystery tendon injury, and the doctor shopping.
    IDK how legit this theory is, but it's a pretty interesting one.

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    I also don't but this crap about Kawhi wanting out because he doesn't want to have to be the guy.

    Luckily for him, LMA LOVES being the guy. He wants the attention.

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    Oh and I think that if I were the Spurs, and the offers weren't getting any better than we heard today, that I would just call Kawhi's bluff and say, "OK, well you are under contract, see you in training camp."

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    Leonard may have never wanted to be number one spurs pushed him in finals when they won it all
    Pop and rc thought after that he would be ok with it.
    If you are not number one no Supermax for you.
    He could stay as a number two with Lma for a couple years then
    Hopefully someone else will blossom

    Maybe pop was trying to find out real issue

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    One would hope that the Spurs won't get cucked, but this same FO that threw millions at Gasol and Patty...as if that was the way forward.
    After that, who knows what the Spurs will do?
    I think those famous wheels fell off when Duncan retired, but the Spurs haven't hit rock bottom yet it seems. I've been a Spurs fan since Hector was a pup, but trading Leonard to the Lakers, that might be a bridge too far. It would take me a good long while to get past that.
    Gasol is a bad contract but we are essentially out from under it after this next season. Patty is simply not a bad contract.

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    The spurs need to stand pat and play the long game if offers dont improve. Its the only way to help bolster their position of strength. Spurs need to play hard ball. Otherwise, they are going to get screwed. They key to striking a decent deal or settlement is posturing yourself in a position of strength. The only way to get there is to be willing to play it out and force him to play out his contract if no decent offers are made.

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    Leonard may have never wanted to be number one spurs pushed him in finals when they won it all
    Pop and rc thought after that he would be ok with it.
    If you are not number one no Supermax for you.
    He could stay as a number two with Lma for a couple years then
    Hopefully someone else will blossom

    Maybe pop was trying to find out real issue
    Problem with that is that Aldridge isn't a leader neither.

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    Miami suddenly rumored to be in the mix. I doubt it, but never count Pat Riley out. Wonder what a package from their side would look like though.. probably something like:

    -Dragic
    -Winslow
    -Adebayo
    -Future 1st Round picks
    -Take on Patty’s contract

    Spurs get a good (albeit aging — turned 32 last month) PG in Dragic who Pop has always liked, a young developmental SF in Winslow (just turned 22), a young/athletic big in Adebayo on a cheap Rookie contract, future draft picks, rid themselves of Patty’s deal, and they don’t help the Lakers create the next superteam.


    Just talking out of my ass here, but you never know. Maybe Lebron considers going back to Miami then to play with Kawhi and D-Wade, ing over the Lakers in the process. If only..

    What picks do they have? They can't move their 2019 pick because of the Stepien rule meaning that it would have to be the 2020 pick and 2023

    Bam is good, don't care about Winslow and am meh on taking back Dragic at this point.

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    I also don't but this crap about Kawhi wanting out because he doesn't want to have to be the guy.

    Luckily for him, LMA LOVES being the guy. He wants the attention.
    Until the 4th qtr in a playoff game..

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    Sign Parker for vet min make him the leader he ran the coaches timeout before

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    What happens if Kawhi retires (at least until his contract with the Spurs is over)?

    I'm sure there are rules to prevent a player from getting an advantage by doing this, but it would be interesting to know.
    Leonard would forfeit his $20 million salary at least for 18-19 and be illegible to sign with another team for a year. The Spurs would lose out in that the his salary would still count against the cap (assuming there would be any player(s) they want to sign in FA.)

    This info is from the venerable Laker fan capologist Larry Coon's cap FAQ (first posted online in Usenet groups circa late 90s).
    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61

    With the way things are going it isn't even a far fetched scenario at this point.

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    Leonard would lose all endorsements also

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    Gasol is a bad contract but we are essentially out from under it after this next season. Patty is simply not a bad contract.
    Patty's deal, when you look at it in terms of percentage of the cap, it's fine. It's something like 11.5% of the cap for each of the remaining years of his deal. Gasol's is pretty much a year year deal and then can be stretched and waived.

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    Trade Aldridge back to Portland for Jusuf Nurkic

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