Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy Retiring

[pgardn]

pgardn grandstanding again, but no one knows what he's talking about

I’m not talking.

Its simple.

You and others are using an arbitrary stage in development to define a human life.
Its that simple. And because you don’t even begin to think about what life even is you and others are clueless. You use science to make moral arguments. Good luck.

[pgardn]

Chris...

What is your moral stance on the vasectomy (that like a science thingy Chris) an unnecessary medical procedure?

[Chris]

Chris...

What is your moral stance on the vasectomy (that like a science thingy Chris) an unnecessary medical procedure?

"No one who is emasculated or has his male organ cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD."
-Deuteronomy 23:1

[pgardn]

"No one who is emasculated or has his male organ cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD."
-Deuteronomy 23:1

So is this the taking of a potential human life?

[Chris]

So is this the taking of a potential human life?

Most experts agree life begins at conception so no.

[pgardn]

Most experts agree life begins at conception so no.

Experts in what?

Is using a condom a form of emasculation?

[SnakeBoy]

You think biology teachers should just teach human biology or what? What is your viewing the following?

Science teachers MUST teach viruses, are they alive? Tell the board?
Science teachers must teach about bacteria and The dormant spores that form in critical stiuations, are they alive?
Some molecules can self replicate, is this life? Are these molecules alive?

You think this is some sort of game? It’s not. You must define what you talk about in science.

lol we aren't talking about aborting viruses or prions

[SnakeBoy]

I was raised Catholic and felt the same way until my ex wife got pregnant 6 months after we had my daughter. She was adamant that she did not want to have another child then, and there was no way I could force her to. I was against it, and we talked about it, but it ended up being for the best. Two years later we were divorced. Until you've been in that situation I think it's impossible to understand what can go into making that decision, and how hard it is. Yes, there are people who treat it as birth control after the fact, but it is not a clear cut black and white issue that people try and make it out to be. The people that go through it have to deal with what they did.

Best for you and her. Not so much for the aborted kid.

Been there done that so I get where you're trying to come from but it is a clear cut black and white issue. Abortion is what it is, best to just admit it and come to grips with what was done.

[pgardn]

lol we aren't talking about aborting viruses or prions

But You can define human life beginning at a single cell stage.

Yeah.

Thats rich.

[SnakeBoy]

But You can define human life beginning at a single cell stage.

Yeah.

Thats rich.

Your DNA is you according to science. Unless you want to argue there is something else that makes you human.

It's funny to me the mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves that abortion is something other than the ending of a life.

[pgardn]

Your DNA is you according to science. Unless you want to argue there is something else that makes you human.

It's funny to me the mental gymnastics people go through to convince themselves that abortion is something other than the ending of a life.

Oh it is?

So identical twins are the same?

And a single human skin cell also has human dna and it just fell off in my bed. What shall we do?
I can grow them in a Petri dish.

You still don’t get it. You are using a specific stage in a human manufactured thought process to define a human LIFE...
You are using science to define a human life... You have got to be kidding... A life? A human life? You have to have some moral compass. And this is ... well a chemical. Just DNA...

Yeah. Sure.

And YOU of course have nothing to do with all the chemicals and all the life experiences that YOU went through... Sure. No environmental influences. Yes.

[pgardn]

Your DNA is YOU.

Got it...

[SnakeBoy]

Oh it is?

So identical twins are the same?

And a single human skin cell also has human dna and it just fell off in my bed. What shall we do?
I can grow them in a Petri dish.

You still don’t get it. You are using a specific stage in a human manufactured thought process to define a human LIFE...
You are using science to define a human life... You have got to be kidding... A life? A human life? You have to have some moral compass. And this is ... well a chemical. Just DNA...

Yeah. Sure.

And YOU of course have nothing to do with all the chemicals and all the life experiences that YOU went through... Sure. No environmental influences. Yes.

[pgardn]

Yep.

Thats what happens when SCIENCE TELLS US:
Your DNA is YOU...

Snakeboy proclaims human life begins at conception.
Done.
Easy.

You will want to stop this with a gif.
Its best if you do.

[SnakeBoy]

Yep.

Thats what happens when SCIENCE TELLS US:
Your DNA is YOU...

Snakeboy proclaims human life begins at conception.
Done.
Easy.

You will want to stop this with a gif.
Its best if you do.

Well it's not so much that I want to stop it. It's just boring to go around in circles with you because of your proven inability to remain within the context of the topic, so you just end up rambling. It's tedious.

[SnakeBoy]

i was shorta shocked at myself at how quickly i came to that conclusion without any internal struggle. luckily it never came to that, as i got the "you're not a baby daddy" text the next day... but it would have been the right decision. i probably wouldn't have been able to go to law school, she'd have to have given up her med school hopes, etc. and the kid would have had a pretty ty upbringing all things considered.

would've been better off dead for sure

[pgardn]

Well it's not so much that I want to stop it. It's just boring to go around in circles with you because of your proven inability to remain within the context of the topic, so you just end up rambling. It's tedious.

Oh sure.
No problem.

Your DNA is YOU. “Science says so”

And a human life begins at conception. Snakeboy says so.

Thats good.
End of story.
*Dusts off hands*

Sleep well.

[SnakeBoy]

What? Maybe not to you. I think the argument can be made, and i think on this very forum I’ve taken that position as well. But not gonna pretend it’s some settled truth.

https://www.wired.com/2015/10/scienc...ife-begins/amp
http://www.slate.com/articles/double...over_time.html

Anyhoo, you did a good job avoiding talking about when one becomes endowed with inalienable rights. As the forum lawyer I figured you would have some thoughts on that.

[SnakeBoy]

Oh sure.
No problem.

Your DNA is YOU. “Science says so”

And a human life begins at conception. Snakeboy says so.

Thats good.
End of story.
*Dusts off hands*

Sleep well.

Okay you want to participate. Let's try to keep you on topic.

If you really want say your life began at sometime other than conception I'm all ears. Be specific.

However, the topic is abortion and when life begins isn't the question as I stated earlier. The question is, when does one become endowed with inalienable rights....Go pgardn.

Start another thread if you want to discuss whether or not a prion qualifies as life.

[spurraider21]

would've been better off dead for sure

Or just never being born.

What’s next, gonna criticize a couple for not having a kid every 9 months?

Anyhoo, you did a good job avoiding talking about when one becomes endowed with inalienable rights. As the forum lawyer I figured you would have some thoughts on that.

Pretty sure they’re only recognized at birth here in the states. I don’t think unborn can receive inheritances, etc

[SnakeBoy]

Or just never being born.

potato potato

What’s next, gonna criticize a couple for not having a kid every 9 months?

Why would I do that?

Pretty sure they’re only recognized at birth here in the states. I don’t think unborn can receive inheritances, etc

lazy lawyer

[pgardn]

Okay you want to participate. Let's try to keep you on topic.

If you really want say your life began at sometime other than conception I'm all ears. Be specific.

However, the topic is abortion and when life begins isn't the question as I stated earlier. The question is, when does one become endowed with inalienable rights....Go pgardn.

Start another thread if you want to discuss whether or not a prion qualifies as life.

Give me a break...

What is abortion?

When are we a granted unalienable rights? ( could be or already are a perfectly beautiful human being with all the special qualities that make us different from other animals...)

I have no fckn clue.
And either do you.

[pgardn]

Okay you want to participate. Let's try to keep you on topic.

If you really want say your life began at sometime other than conception I'm all ears. Be specific.

However, the topic is abortion and when life begins isn't the question as I stated earlier. The question is, when does one become endowed with inalienable rights....Go pgardn.

Start another thread if you want to discuss whether or not a prion qualifies as life.

And now you want to pin ME down when LIFE begins. And then you get irritated when I attempt to try and define what a HUMAN LIFE actually is? Really?

I have no fckn clue. Define a human life(yes people actually discuss this)
And you have no fckn clue either.

And there are ways to hash my stance out and yours.
But you don’t want that. This is not as easy as you want it to be.

[SnakeBoy]

When are we a granted unalienable rights? ( could be or already are a perfectly beautiful human being with all the special qualities that make us different from other animals...)

I have no fckn clue.
And either do you.

Which is exactly the point I was making in the post that got you all riled up. I gave my completely arbitrary point in time. You're not willing to do the same. Why?

Well that point and the fact that most pro choice people twist themselves into knots to pretend abortion isn't the taking of a life. You're still doing it.

[monosylab1k]

"No one who is emasculated or has his male organ cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD."
-Deuteronomy 23:1

“For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it“
-Matthew 19:12