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    Great news as far as I'm concerned. The Spurs probably won't be competing for a le this year anyways, so why not bring back a fan favorite? He's a bonafide shooter who could also be a good mentor for Walker, and if it means Forbes is gone, double bonus.

    Glad to see Ferrari suiting up in the silver & black, and would love to see him out there working magic with Manu off the bench again.

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    Bertans and Anderson are both average to above average on both sides of the floor. Yeah, it would help if Anderson could shoot for and Bertans could rebound according to his size. But they still do other things that allow them to not be liabilities on either side of the ball. Belli is totally useless on D.
    You couldn't be more wrong.

    The only thing Bertans does at an average level is shoot. Everything else is way below average it isn't even funny. He can't defend power forwards, he rebounds worse than half of the starting point guards in today's league, his shot selection is hideous, etc.

    I know you're riding on that train until it drowns and all.... but you're about to crushed by the ocean's pressure

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    You couldn't be more wrong.

    The only thing Bertans does at an average level is shoot. Everything else is way below average it isn't even funny. He can't defend power forwards, he rebounds worse than half of the starting point guards in today's league, his shot selection is hideous, etc.

    I know you're riding on that train until it drowns and all.... but you're about to crushed by the ocean's pressure
    Bertans is also very good at putting the ball on the floor and finding open teammates. In defense he's an underrated shot blocker. Bertans is a baller, he just needs the confidence that only guaranteed minutes give you.

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    I just find it hilarious that the only people hating on Belinelli for not being a 2-way player are fluffers of either Green, Mills, Bertans, or Anderson. The irony is so hard it hurts.

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    I just find it hilarious that the only people hating on Belinelli for not being a 2-way player are fluffers of either Green, Mills, Bertans, or Anderson. The irony is so hard it hurts.
    4 years ago Belli wasn't good enough to get more than 5 minutes per game when it mattered. Why would he be more useful now, being 4 years older and having developed a beer gut?

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    Only an idiot would prefer Belly over Fathead.

    Casual re s that only pay attention to muh PPG and muh 3PT shots. Smh.

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    4 years ago Belli wasn't good enough to get more than 5 minutes per game when it mattered. Why would he be more useful now, being 4 years older and having developed a beer gut?
    Belli's Beer gut shoots better and is still quicker than the 4 years spent as a spur, Pile Kyle. I'll take it.

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    Only an idiot would prefer Belly over Fathead.

    Casual re s that only pay attention to muh PPG and muh 3PT shots. Smh.
    It was what the team and pile kyle lacked last year dummy.
    I bet you smell like pee.

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    The only thing Bertans does at an average level is shoot. Everything else is way below average it isn't even funny.
    What's hilarious is, even if this is true about Bertans, the exact same thing can be said about Belli. Over the years ST has hated Forbes, Neal, Bertans, Bonner, Finley, etc because all they can do is shoot but for whatever reason "Ferrari" gets a pass despite being the exact same type of player. He's arguably worse on defense than every single one of those guys too.

    but he hit one shot against Miami
    but he does the big balls dance
    but he's Ferrari aka Belllichamp

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    Not you specifically, but really it's because most fans are dumb and associate each player with a singular play, imo.

    With Neal, it's a shoe-less Mike Miller scoring a three over him which confirms to people that he was a bad defender. With Belli's it's his "huge" shot to stop Miami's rally in Game 3 which confirms to people that he is capable of hitting big shots. In reality, they're the exact same player. I don't think Manu has anything to do with it.
    Context is important, the 3 point shot wasn't valued as much when Neal was playing. And in Today's NBA Marco can guard 1 to 3, which is also important. And the guy has hit big shots for us in the past and has the Spurs mentality Lebron praised. So let's focus on what really matters

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    Only an idiot would prefer Belly over Fathead.

    Casual re s that only pay attention to muh PPG and muh 3PT shots. Smh.
    Fathead is a different cancer. They're both cancer though.

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    Context is important, the 3 point shot wasn't valued as much when Neal was playing. And in Today's NBA Marco can guard 1 to 3, which is also important. And the guy has hit big shots for us in the past and has the Spurs mentality Lebron praised. So let's focus on what really matters

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    It was what the team and pile kyle lacked last year dummy.
    I bet you smell like pee.
    Better playmaker, better rebounder, better individual defender, better team defender, better slasher, better passer, better advanced metrics, more cerebral, more versatile, more length, younger. But yeah Belli is a better shooter therefore he'd have a bigger impact. Sound logic, genius.

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    Brah, fathead is trash. Never been good. Beli at least was good in 2015 clips series. And yes that series mattered.

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    I didn't say he is a good defender, but being a bit longer than Neal he can do an OK job at that.

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    Brah, fathead is trash. Never been good. Beli at least was good in 2015 clips series. And yes that series mattered.
    Kyle is 24. And he already impacts the game more than Belli ever has but most people are just too dumb to appreciate what he brings to the table. Y'all also judge him on two series against an elite GS when he was asked to replace Kawhi.

    If he ever develops a consistent corner 3PT shot and a reliable midrange shot, it'd open up his drives/playmaking (which he's already good at) so much and he'd be a $10-15 mill/yr guy. Lock him up now for cheap and hope his shot improves.

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    I don't even like both dude. But saying fathead is better than beli is not correct.

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    I didn't say he is a good defender, but being a bit longer than Neal he can do an OK job at that.
    Defense and the word OK should never be used when talking about Belli. His height doesn't magically make him not atrocious.

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    Kyle is 24. And he already impacts the game more than Belli ever has but most people are just too dumb to appreciate what he brings to the table. Y'all also judge him on two series against an elite GS when he was asked to replace Kawhi.

    If he ever develops a consistent corner 3PT shot and a reliable midrange shot, it'd open up his drives/playmaking (which he's already good at) so much and he'd be a $10-15 mill/yr guy. Lock him up now for cheap and hope his shot improves.
    He's had 4 years to develop a shot. It's not happening. And he cancers it up vs the elite teams, which the Spurs play every playoffs. He does good vs trash but any good teams pick him apart. And pop plays him when he's decent and benches him when he sucks. The opposite of good players.

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    Kyle is 24. And he already impacts the game more than Belli ever has but most people are just too dumb to appreciate what he brings to the table. Y'all also judge him on two series against an elite GS when he was asked to replace Kawhi.

    If he ever develops a consistent corner 3PT shot and a reliable midrange shot, it'd open up his drives/playmaking (which he's already good at) so much and he'd be a $10-15 mill/yr guy. Lock him up now for cheap and hope his shot improves.
    You think Kyle is going to get faster as he ages?

    Dude has had 4 years in the league, and is still afraid to shoot the ing ball. I think he was worth the gamble to see if he develops, but frankly...what you see now is what you are going to get.

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    He hit a huge shot in Game 3 against Miami that killed their rally.
    Beli was involved in a lot of big shots... most of which he was defending.

    Fans will probably be glad to see him back being that he's associated with 2014, but truth be told, he did more harm than good in those playoffs.

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    I didn't say he is a good defender, but being a bit longer than Neal he can do an OK job at that.
    Sure he's a better defender than Neal, but that's not saying much at all. Beli is a terrible defender, about as bad as Forbes.

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    Better playmaker, better rebounder, better individual defender, better team defender, better slasher, better passer, better advanced metrics, more cerebral, more versatile, more length, younger. But yeah Belli is a better shooter therefore he'd have a bigger impact. Sound logic, genius.
    You forgot to add better at sitting on the bench come playoff time..
    But yeah.. Bigger impact. SoundS logicAL. Genius. GTFOH.

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    He's had 4 years to develop a shot. It's not happening. And he cancers it up vs the elite teams, which the Spurs play every playoffs. He does good vs trash but any good teams pick him apart. And pop plays him when he's decent and benches him when he sucks. The opposite of good players.
    Why is it not happening? Many players have taken longer and have been older. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he develops that shot but it's also not out of the realms of possibility.

    Again, you're judging him on his performance against not only an elite GS team but against a Top 3 player in Durant. He's not Durant or Kawhi, he's not going to go toe-to-toe with the former or fill-in admirably for the latter. Judge him for what he is and you'll be able to appreciate what he does bring to the table--which is a lot more than what dime a dozen "shooters" like Belli bring.

    You think Kyle is going to get faster as he ages?

    Dude has had 4 years in the league, and is still afraid to shoot the ing ball. I think he was worth the gamble to see if he develops, but frankly...what you see now is what you are going to get.
    He doesn't need to get faster. That's not his problem. He does of good job of covering his lack of speed with smarts/length on defense and craftiness/length on offense. His biggest problem by far is his shot. That's the only thing preventing him from breaking out. I think it's worth betting on him improving there, and if he does his contract would be amazing value considering everything else he brings to the table.

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    Why is it not happening? Many players have taken longer and have been older. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he develops that shot but it's also not out of the realms of possibility.

    Again, you're judging him on his performance against not only an elite GS team but against a Top 3 player in Durant. He's not Durant or Kawhi, he's not going to go toe-to-toe with the former or fill-in admirably for the latter. Judge him for what he is and you'll be able to appreciate what he does bring to the table--which is a lot more than what dime a dozen "shooters" like Belli bring.



    He doesn't need to get faster. That's not his problem. He does of good job of covering his lack of speed with smarts/length on defense and craftiness/length on offense. His biggest problem by far is his shot. That's the only thing preventing him from breaking out. I think it's worth betting on him improving there, and if he does his contract would be amazing value considering everything else he brings to the table.
    Appreciate what he brings?

    Obviously nothing.

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