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    You state this as a fact - you are wrong. A supermax is guaranteed money. KL will never make up $80MM in salary on a SHOE contract.

    Tell me how this $80MM variance is "easily" obtained when you are not even sure this guy can play well enough to be an all star player going forward.

    Enlighten me...
    If I’m not mistaken, Harden makes a cool $200M off that contract with Adidas on top of his player contract. For other contracts, I used this as basis https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#5719136a1520 It’s not sure money and won’t ever amount to the difference between the supermax and the hypothetical Lakers extension. That I agree with. But whatever difference, whether substantial or not, is probably offset by the fact he’s going to play in his hometown and at a bigger city.

    I also agree Kawhi is hard-pressed to sell his own signature shoe given his lack of character and I doubt he can change public perception so drastically to make everyone buy a Kawhi shoe, which makes it all sadder.

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    Difference between the supermax and the extension he gets in LA can easily be recouped by getting shoe and endorsement deals. LA has more to offer in that regard as compared to HEB commercials.
    that's the theory doubtful in reality

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    And you nigas ask me why I baptized him Mute Cancer

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    Cancer Mute Cancer

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    Oh, and can somebody please knock Stephen A Smith the out?

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    I believe the Spurs chose to defer to Kawhi’s medical team to try to maintain the relationship, but if the team doctors clear him to play, the Spurs can oblige him to play. Of course it’s not that simple, and all this would end up in court, and both sides will be smeared in the media.

    The Spurs have two choices: give in and allow themselves to be raped, or fight their would-be rapist as hard as they can.
    Last edited by Extra Stout; 07-02-2018 at 10:31 AM.

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    If this comes to fruition it does not spell good for the next CBA. The next issue is of course when the Spurs take Kawhi to a friednly Texas court. Not only could the Spurs recoup all salaries, but the punitive damages could be x3 of the salary. Long John Silvers needs to step up and inform Kawhi, that either he plays or he is involuntarily retired which makes him sit out an additional year, and for not honoring his contract, and tampering by the Lakers, he cannot sign a contract with LA for 5 years. Anything less puts the entire structure of basketball and their contracts at risk.

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    that's the theory doubtful in reality
    The Leonard brand will not sell a whole lot of shoes outside of LA other than to people who are trying to cheat their social security. You would have to be crazy to try and sell a Leonard shoe outside LA. Maybe he can sign a contract with Big Ballers.

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    Just another example of the countless # of hearsay items we've read non-stop over the last 5 months.

    Nobody really knows what's going on with Kawhi since everything has been speculative from his wanting out all the way to the meetings that were supposedly held between him and Pop recently.

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    Hoping that the Spurs are playing nice trying to accommodate Len but when that doesn’t work gloves come off and they lawyer up.

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    And then people don't believe that ESPN/SAS spread rumors about Kawhi to help the Lakers this offseason...
    You know there is more to the NBA than whether or not the Lakers are playing well.. SAS is a ing clown..

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    Hoping that the Spurs are playing nice trying to accommodate Len but when that doesn’t work gloves come off and they lawyer up.
    I would actually like to see the Spurs take him to court and make his life a miserable . I don't care about the Spurs reputation being destroyed among players since it's already been destroyed. It's time to drag Kawhi's reputation through the mud.

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    I believe the Spurs chose to defer to Kawhi’s medical team to try to maintain the relationship, but if the team doctors clear him to play, the Spurs can oblige him to play. Of course it’s not that simple, and all this would end up in court, and both sides will be smeared in the media.

    The Spurs have two choices: give in and allow themselves to be raped, or fight their would-be rapist as hard as they can.
    Right they were in treat our franchise player with kid gloves mode. Now that's over I don't expect such deference moving forward.

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    I would actually like to see the Spurs take him to court and make his life a miserable . I don't care about the Spurs reputation being destroyed among players since it's already been destroyed. It's time to drag Kawhi's reputation through the mud.
    I'd love to see that as well, just don't expect it to happen.

    Don't think the other NBA owners would allow it either, wouldn't be good for the league as a whole. They could force an ownership change like they did with Sterling n LA ...

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    Hoping that the Spurs are playing nice trying to accommodate Len but when that doesn’t work gloves come off and they lawyer up.
    Don't need that. If he doesn't report then he doesn't get paid. Add that to the supermax he's lost out on.

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    If I’m not mistaken, Harden makes a cool $200M off that contract with Adidas on top of his player contract. For other contracts, I used this as basis https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#5719136a1520 It’s not sure money and won’t ever amount to the difference between the supermax and the hypothetical Lakers extension. That I agree with. But whatever difference, whether substantial or not, is probably offset by the fact he’s going to play in his hometown and at a bigger city.

    I also agree Kawhi is hard-pressed to sell his own signature shoe given his lack of character and I doubt he can change public perception so drastically to make everyone buy a Kawhi shoe, which makes it all sadder.
    Don’t forget about the money lost paying state income taxes to the worst run state in the US. He’ll probably end up getting 40% of his money.

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    Here is what the CBA says:

    Section 3. Withholding Services.

    A player who withholds playing services called for by a Player Contract
    for more than thirty (30) days after the start of the last Season covered by
    his Player Contract shall be deemed not to have “complet[ed] his Player
    Contract by rendering the playing services called for thereunder.”
    Accordingly, such a player shall not be a Veteran Free Agent and shall not
    be en led to negotiate or sign a Player Contract with any other
    professional basketball team unless and until the Team for which the
    player last played expressly agrees otherwise.
    Why would this not mean that KL can never become a free agent until he fulfills the last year of his Spurs contract?

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    Here is what the CBA says:



    Why would this not mean that KL can never become a free agent until he fulfills the last year of his Spurs contract?
    See you in training camp d-bag. Unless of course you want to fake another injury. Then we’ll see you in court.

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    Here is what the CBA says:



    Why would this not mean that KL can never become a free agent until he fulfills the last year of his Spurs contract?
    The more we post the CBA clause, the likelier YGWHI sees it and points it out to Kawhi’s people.

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    I'd love to see that as well, just don't expect it to happen.

    Don't think the other NBA owners would allow it either, wouldn't be good for the league as a whole. They could force an ownership change like they did with Sterling n LA ...
    I don't think the Spurs would go that route either but no way the league could outright force an ownership change like they did with Sterling. Sterling outed himself as a racist that's what made him controversial. The league also lucked out that Sterling's wife was able to get him to sign the papers to sell the Clippers. If she wasn't able to do it then Sterling and the league would have been in court for years and it would have gotten ugly.

    I think the majority of owners would be siding with the Spurs in this situation. What Kawhi did was dishonorable and could set a precedent in the future for other players to do the same thing to other teams especially small market teams. Fact is this guy was only willing to play 2 years out of a 4 year deal he signed with the Spurs. It really would show contracts don't mean anything anymore and that's something I think the majority of owners are against. Also I have gotten the vibes the owners don't like how the players have too much power now to not only decide where and who they play with but also they now can run an organization ala Lebron in Cleveland. I remember reading a week ago about how Dan Gilbert wouldn't care if Lebron left the Cavs simply because he would be glad that he has his team back and would have full power to run his team the way he wants to do it. I have also heard the owners have been trying for years to get rid of guaranteed contracts. The Kawhi situation helps their cause so I don't really see how they would be against the Spurs taking Kawhi to court.

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    So way I see it the d-bag has 5 choices:
    1. Not show up and sit out the rest of his career.
    2. Show up, fake another injury and get his sorry ass sued into bankruptcy.
    3. Show up, dog it and have Pop ride his ass into the ground
    4. Agree to a trade with terms that allow the Spurs to get reasonable compensation.
    5. Man up, come to camp and act and play like a real professional.

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    The Kawhi situation helps their cause so I don't really see how they would be against the Spurs taking Kawhi to court.
    I think there's an arbitration provision in the CBA that would short-circuit either party's attempt to go directly to court . . .

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    So way I see it the d-bag has 5 choices:
    1. Not show up and sit out the rest of his career.
    2. Show up, fake another injury and get his sorry ass sued into bankruptcy.
    3. Show up, dog it and have Pop ride his ass into the ground
    4. Agree to a trade with terms that allow the Spurs to get reasonable compensation.
    5. Man up, come to camp and act and play like a real professional.
    3.b. Play poorly for that time...then play great once he is free...which will be this 's way to handle it.

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    I can't believe I have more respect even for Melo than Kawhi. Never thought I'd say those words. Because I loathe Melo.

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    3.b. Play poorly for that time...then play great once he is free...which will be this 's way to handle it.
    I’d pay for front row seats just to watch Pop nuking his sorry ass during games for a season. That would take the sting out of this whole show.

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