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The problem is i don’t think the lakers can offer a good trade even if they wanted to. Ingram kuzma and some late 20’s picks aren’t going to make us a good team. And they’re not even offering that.
I know it would dig into pride quite a bit but if pop made public comments about mistakes spurs have made with respect to how they have contributed to the narrative, that would probably go a long way. Make Kawhi look like less of the bad guy. Make the spurs look like they owned up to mistakes. And then you put the Supermax on the table.
Even if Kawhi was unreasonable and a through all this, if you go into it with the mentality that with Kawhi, we always have a chance to be special, but we’re never getting semi reasonable value back for him via trade... it’s an option.
The problem is i don’t think the lakers can offer a good trade even if they wanted to. Ingram kuzma and some late 20’s picks aren’t going to make us a good team. And they’re not even offering that.
They've dealt with agent bull before, now, and forever. They aren't going to give up a franchise player for 30% of value, especially if the relationship can be restored.
I’m literally stunned that teams are doing everything they can to not land a true star. After Pg there had to be a ton of remorse. When they rarely become available and have changed every franchise (Bron, Harden, etc) it’s crazy.
Banking on cores that have already casts serious doubts on ceilings makes it even worse.
Time for Houston to get someone to counter the boogie signing. Brook Lopez?
I've come to a point where anger towards Kawhi has turn into sadness (and anger too). Sadness because he's willing to throw away all the love and the embrace the Spurs fans have given him the last 7 years. He went to promising rookie, to an awesome defender, to the heir to Tim Duncan. He was assured a place among the best spurs of all time. Maybe the second best, Timmy is untouchable.
And he's willing to throw that away because his ing uncle got inside his fragile head and filled it with horse Lakers dreams.
him. I'm 100% sure he'll regret his choice. Ship his ass to LA or wherever and get the best we can as soon as possible. Let's get this cancer off the team and move on. The rebuilding will be hard, but I can't stomach cheering for this piece of in my team anymore.
It really is weird. The offers must also be absolute dog or he'd be gone by now.
Spurs are making the playoffs regardless, Pop & RC want Ingram, his potential is off the charts, who knows how he develops under a good coaching staff. Obviously best case scenario is always gonna be Kiwi resigning, but Ingram is only 21 if even that. I'm thinking they're eventually going to trade Ball, we shall see what Lakers get for him. And again, after Oladipos pedestrian year and abysmal playoffs with OKC everybody thought Indiana got fleeced. I'd rather not have Kuzma do to his at ude, but he can get buckets. We can't all over this trade before it happens, chances of getting absolute equal or close value to Kawhi is impossible due to his wanting Lakers and only the Lakers.
Stop lying about Ingram.
jeff ayres
6'11, long ass arms, good offensive game, playmaking steadily getting better, defensive potential similar to KD, what's not to like? Spurs would make him a star.
the Lakers disclaimer and all but Spurs fans really love to overrate their players and underrate everybody else's. If Kawhi is traded for Ingram+ he'd be the 2nd best player on the Spurs. That's not even debatable.
I'd still think Rudy Gay is better than Ingram but in 2 years that could be different.
That's facts, some dumbass called Ingram a "taller Forbes".
It's a one year rental, lots of uncertainty about his health, and given that it appears he held out/quit on a playoff team and his group is casting aspersions about an organization with a good rep, there's a lot that a potential trade partner needs to unpack, or they offer ten cents on the dollar. 'Why am I going to pay more for their headache to become mine?'
Big offers like the Spurs are expecting rarely happen.
This Kawhi drama has to be the most complicated trade talks ever. You know every side including Kawhi's group playing all sides to manipulate what they want is happening. So many conflicting reports everywhere! Spurs probably have never gotten a straight answer or legit proposal from anyone yet because Kawhi's group is sabotaging everything. Spurs have some leverage here because Kawhi sitting another year for the Spurs looks really bad for him and has to effect his development. I imagine Kawhi's group will start to play ball and accept him going East or tell the Lakers they need to trade for him now or he might actually stay east in a few days once the reality sets in. For now, they are playing dirty.
Gay is ing waaaaay better. Ingram looks like lottery-team treadmill trash at this point.
Absolutely no reason for the Spurs to rush at this point. The only thing that's going to improve offers for Leonard is other teams getting comfortable about his health as well as his mentality, as well as see how free agency plays out. Of course while that's happening I'm sure the Spurs will see if the relationship can be restored. Issues resolved and Leonard back committed to playing for your team is the best value you are going to get out of this situation. A better offer come September or October may be 50% of value.
The trades would be better if Leonard opened himself up to say that he's through with bull crap. The Lakers aren't shiny when you see them up close. The teams of the future are East. He should accept it, get his contact and shut up with this best fit nonsense.
That's facts, some dumbass called Ingram a "taller Forbes".
But, yes, Kawhi's group is very reactionary and unprofessional. One could imagine a scenario where they approached the Spurs quietly and indicated that Kawhi would eventually want out of SA with Pop nearing retirement, but that they would work with the Spurs to ensure they got good value in return, but that they would want the supermax, or something close. Win-win, basically. Instead taking everything public, attempting to appear hardass has led to this situation where the Spurs can't move him because nobody's offering jack, because you have totally destroyed your client's trade value due to the trade demands and attempting to pressure the Spurs to make a trade now. Even if the Spurs were willing to trade you just lost your client whatever portion of the supermax the Spurs were willing to extend you.
Really no reason for the Spurs to accept any offer from the Lakers that doesn't include Ingram, so Magic can pound sand until he comes around. Plenty of time to let other GM fantasize about getting Kawhi if the Spurs choose to weather the inevitable plantation/slavery storm.
Not really, after signing LeBron, Lakers seem willing to call it a offseason.
Many reports say that LeBron told LAL they don't need to make big moves this offseason and lose assets, he signed for 4 years and expect the team waits until next years to lure FAs.
That's why you can read that Laker's offers to the Spurs got worse after they got LeBron.
To get LeBron, they wanted to give Ingram for Kawhi, now they don't even want to give Kuzma...
Guarantee Lebron is a big part too. David vs Goliath battle going on.
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