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    It’s not over til it’s over. Spurs could still panic and match last second.

    And this board would melt down

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    The main reason not to match is if they already see a better or at least comparable alternative already available...the most I see summer league games, the more I'm comparing Metu with Kyle...considering the main role for Kyle was as a Boris replacement.
    Metu looks very good on switching, I like his legs...very mobile on offense and defense. Jumps as much or more than Kyle and has quite the same height. Imho more than a legit big, considering he has not a big wingspan, but how fast his movements are and the fact that he already looks having a jump shot, he's more a three/four...that's Kyle role.

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    Kyle did lots of little things well, he just didn’t do the big things very well. He was kind of the opposite of Jonathon Simmons...not showy, but willing and capable of doing the little things to help a team be better. I don’t think he’ll ever be the big play guy, or capable of taking over a game, but he’ll set the pick to break someone free, knock a ball loose, or always be in the right place defensively.

    My guess is that the Spurs saw his ceiling may be limited, and with an entire roster of limited role players right now they probably want to get new blood in, and hopefully discover and groom the next difference maker.

    Had he been part of the ‘14 run maybe he’d of gotten the Mills treatment...who knows. I think he’ll carve out a long NBA career.

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    It's a tough decision for the club.

    They have invested 3 seasons in Kyle and he has turned into a good professional, solid rotation player. Well adapted to the system, able of playing good minutes in his role vs elite teams. And the contract offered is not bad per se.
    On the other hand, PATFO is in the middle of a key offseason and flexibility is really needed. On the court, Anderson is a very particular player, offensively he's not an easy fit. On the books, the 4-year deal and trade kicker would limit short-term and mid-term movements.

    Like any other this summer, this decision is another subplot in Leonard's soap opera. It's hard to assess single operations until the roster is completed and the club reveals the plan for the season.

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    Anderson is a divisive player here, but you're not going to get a decent or better player when you're over the cap and have $3 million to spend. The only reason that I can see the Spurs not matching is that they're resigned to having to take on a bad contract to get the players/picks they want for Kawhi (ie, Deng to go with Ingram and Kuzma).

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    Diminishing KA's value because he's a hesitant shooter is dumb af. What about Boris? I know they're not the same type of player but he had that same hesitant mentality (despite being a much better shooter than Fathead) and he was still a valuable cog. I don't think him developing a decent corner 3 and a decent midrange game is out of the realms of possibility either. I actually kind of expect it to happen.

    Another thing, why are people being so short sighted with "roster fit"? He's 24 and his offer sheet is for 4 years. The roster was constructed with the assumption that there is a Top 3 player at SF. Obviously if Kawhitter gets his way that will no longer be the case and PATFO will build the roster to better fit the new core. The only reasonable argument I've heard for not matching is the fact that the Spurs would get a SF or two in exchange for Kawhitter, but KA can easily play the 4 in today's NBA.

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    Gay, Manu, Mills, White, Gasol, player from Kawhi trade

    That's a Top 5 team in Year 1 post-Kawhitter with room for improvement in following years, tbh.
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    Just because he is still in Memphis doesn't signal anything. Spurs could still be thinking about it.

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    People comparing fathead to boris

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    I want Kyle back. Can't lose assets for nothing. Though depending on what they get for Kawhi, I can see them not matching.

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    How many starting SF's in the NBA have no game either slashing to the basket, or shooting the 3 ball? I think just about everyone can do one or the other, and most do both. I know he does a lot of other things well, but I just think it puts too much pressure on everyone else.

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    I think Danny is destined to play more SF with the glut of guards on the team, and and I expect Rudy will get a lot more minutes this year as well. Will be interesting to see what happens, but I don't think they end up matching. Honestly good either way.

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    We can’t have 2 non shooters on the floor
    Well said. We need at least 3 to pick up where we left off.

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    of all the teams The spurs are probably the most intense enviroment. It's well coached and well run, but having to maintain a playoffs run with falling talent is draining. I could see Kawhi wanting out from that to a lower pressure situation. But kyle too might be affected but having to meet those standards. He was told to change his game from PG to PF defender, and then with kawhi being out, suddenly had an opening for a new position. Memphis will probably let him do whatever and we'll see if he can connect the dots with a team that isn't as pressured to make the playoffs

    Guys like parker and Manu adjusted to the pressure but KAwhi obviously did not.

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    of all the teams The spurs are probably the most intense enviroment. It's well coached and well run, but having to maintain a playoffs run with falling talent is draining. I could see Kawhi wanting out from that to a lower pressure situation. But kyle too might be affected but having to meet those standards. He was told to change his game from PG to PF defender, and then with kawhi being out, suddenly had an opening for a new position. Memphis will probably let him do whatever and we'll see if he can connect the dots with a team that isn't as pressured to make the playoffs

    Guys like parker and Manu adjusted to the pressure but KAwhi obviously did not.
    In terms of practice I highly doubt it. Doubt they have half the intensity of Miami or Minnesotta.

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    I want Kyle back. Can't lose assets for nothing. Though depending on what they get for Kawhi, I can see them not matching.
    He's not an asset.

    He's a liability.

    Im happy to lose liabilities for nothing tbh

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    In terms of practice I highly doubt it. Doubt they have half the intensity of Miami or Minnesotta.
    i don't practice is the main thing. It's a mental block. Basically the spurs placed huge bets on Leonard being an alpha and elevating the role players. He did almost the exact opposite and that ed over a lot of the small guys left holding the bag. This offseason is like them acknowledging that the bet failed and needs to be reset.

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    of all the teams The spurs are probably the most intense enviroment. It's well coached and well run, but having to maintain a playoffs run with falling talent is draining. I could see Kawhi wanting out from that to a lower pressure situation. But kyle too might be affected but having to meet those standards. He was told to change his game from PG to PF defender, and then with kawhi being out, suddenly had an opening for a new position. Memphis will probably let him do whatever and we'll see if he can connect the dots with a team that isn't as pressured to make the playoffs

    Guys like parker and Manu adjusted to the pressure but KAwhi obviously did not.
    Sounds like assumptions. Besides KL coming out and saying he would like lighter practices, has any other player quoted this? I remember Kerr saying he enjoyed every bit of time with Pop and of course the annual rodeo road trip where they go bowling and museums and probably do intense some practices for a playoff run but I cannot recall a player saying they hated any combination of Spurs' practices, culture, coach, anything else.

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    i don't practice is the main thing. It's a mental block. Basically the spurs placed huge bets on Leonard being an alpha and elevating the role players. He did almost the exact opposite and that ed over a lot of the small guys left holding the bag. This offseason is like them acknowledging that the bet failed and needs to be reset.
    That I’ll buy. Pop has been great at personell management. The dumbest thing he ever did in that department was assuming or promoting Leonard as a leader. Leonard’s not capable of leading a team out of a locker room and even a casual fan could see that. Might as well try teaching a penguin to fly.

    I think Leonard is conflicted. He and his Uncke think he wants more prominence but in truth his personality seeks anonymity. I think problem began when Duncan retired land pressure was on him to step up leadership-wise.
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    We just keep on winning, Nono...

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    I want Kyle back. Can't lose assets for nothing. Though depending on what they get for Kawhi, I can see them not matching.
    If you're rebuilding, you need minutes and resources available to develop young players with higher potential ceilings. For a contender, Anderson has a nice role player skillset and this is a role player contract. Spurs are no longer a contender so I can see them not matching.

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    He's not an asset.

    He's a liability.

    Im happy to lose liabilities for nothing tbh
    He's a good piece but is a hard match with the players around him right now. He either needs to become more of a shooter or the players around him need to be more.

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    It's a tough decision for the club.

    They have invested 3 seasons in Kyle and he has turned into a good professional, solid rotation player. Well adapted to the system, able of playing good minutes in his role vs elite teams. And the contract offered is not bad per se.
    On the other hand, PATFO is in the middle of a key offseason and flexibility is really needed. On the court, Anderson is a very particular player, offensively he's not an easy fit. On the books, the 4-year deal and trade kicker would limit short-term and mid-term movements.

    Like any other this summer, this decision is another subplot in Leonard's soap opera. It's hard to assess single operations until the roster is completed and the club reveals the plan for the season.
    Good take.

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    That I’ll buy. Pop has been great at personell management. The dumbest thing he ever did in that department was assuming or promoting Leonard as a leader. Leonard’s not capable of leading a team out of a locker room and even a casual fan could see that. Might as well try teaching a penguin to fly.

    I think Leonard is conflicted. He and his Uncke think he wants more prominence but in truth his personality seeks anonymity. I think problem began when Duncan retired land pressure was on him to step up leadership-wise.
    Exactly! That's what I have been saying since January. The steady drumbeat of "It's Kawhi's team now" did nothing but put pressure on a recluse to do stuff off-court that was completely contrary to his nature. Guys who had been on the same team with him for years should have known this. It was a unique situation to have a reclusive superstar, but PATFO needed to find somebody else to carry the mantle once Tim retired.

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