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    So now that we are in a trade war, the focus of how the Chinese settled on tariffs is pretty clear.

    Nearly two-thirds of the jobs in industries targeted by China’s tariffs — a total of more than 1 million jobs — are in more than 2,100 counties that voted for Trump. By contrast, barely more than one-third of the jobs in China-targeted industries — just over half a million — are in the counties that voted for Clinton. (This is based on 2017 county/employment data.) This doesn’t mean those jobs will definitely be lost; it means that they are in industries that are getting caught up in Trump’s trade war, making them vulnerable, depending on what happens.

    China’s retaliatory tariffs are mainly aimed at U.S. exports of agricultural and food products such as soybeans, cereal, seafood, meats, fruits and nuts, and dairy, as well as intermediate goods and transport equipment, including vehicles.

    Mark Muro, a senior fellow at Brookings who compiled this data, tells me that the jobs targeted by Chinese tariffs include well over 200,000 in poultry processing; nearly 140,000 in other animal slaughtering; over 120,000 in automobile manufacturing; and tens of thousands apiece in industries involving the manufacture of light trucks, utility vehicles and construction machinery, among others. As maps compiled by The Post show, many of these industries are concentrated in the Midwestern heartland and in the South.

    The rub here, Muro tells me, is that China’s new retaliatory tariffs actually go further in targeting red counties than its previously threatened list did. “These tariffs will touch down in very specific places,” Muro said. “They appear calculated to have that effect. In its final iteration the list became significantly more rural and agricultural and red.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...n-voters-faces
    Infographic here:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...na-tariff-jobs

    A bit more on some of the specifics:
    https://piie.com/blogs/trade-investm...trumps-tariffs

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    “We appeal our American interlocutors to be credible and consistent,” Li Kexin, minister at the Chinese embassy in Washington, said in a recent speech – suggesting China sees Team Trump’s posture as neither credible nor consistent.
    Chinese aren't even sure what we want.

    China knows what it wants out of these bilateral negotiations; the White House plainly does not. Trump officials have offered shifting and at times contradictory demands and objectives, further complicated by administration infighting, public turf wars, reversals, retractions and clumsy errors. In short: Over here on Team USA, it’s been amateur hour.”
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...what-hes-doing


    First step in any negotiation is letting someone know what you want.

    Doesn't seem like we are doing that, indicating this will escalate further.

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    I wouldn't count on anything blowing up in his face. They will just keep swallowing the bs.

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    Sounds like foreign countries meddling in US politics, affecting elections. Surely your outraged at this?

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    Sounds like foreign countries meddling in US politics, affecting elections. Surely your outraged at this?
    I wouldn't count on anything blowing up in his face. They will just keep swallowing the bs.

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    Sounds like foreign countries meddling in US politics, affecting elections. Surely your outraged at this?

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    Sounds like foreign countries meddling in US politics, affecting elections. Surely your outraged at this?
    Almost like orange stain started it.

    I don't see you calling him an orange piece of .

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    I wouldn't count on anything blowing up in his face. They will just keep swallowing the bs.
    He could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose his voters.

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    Bendover Ill show you blowing up in a voters face

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    40 percent of the country are die hard liberals
    40 percent of the country are die hard conservatives
    20 percent are either indecent or vote both parties

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    40 percent of the country are die hard liberals
    40 percent of the country are die hard conservatives
    20 percent are either indecent or vote both parties
    Sure. Super indecent.

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    Pointing out the excitement the posters get on here from foreign political influence when it suits them makes me a low iq Cheeto fan? Uhhhh,ok. I'm doing better than 90% of the idiots on here that somehow are supposed to be the smart savvy Americans. Check the scoreboard.

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    Almost like orange stain started it.

    I don't see you calling him an orange piece of .
    Verification of mental stability in your eyes is calling him a piece of . Imagine you had that conversation IRL.

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    Verification of mental stability in your eyes is calling him a piece of . Imagine you had that conversation IRL.
    sicko Trash is garbage, a piece of , a traitor, a Russian intelligence asset

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    Almost like orange stain started it.

    I don't see you calling him an orange piece of .
    Googled and I couldn't find the political faction that the tariffs were deliberately targeting in the Chinese government. What one was that again?

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    Sounds like foreign countries meddling in US politics, affecting elections. Surely your outraged at this?
    Mildly, but not by much. It is a trade war, and one we started.

    Such deliberate economic targeting doesn't really strike at the heart of democracy, like the Russian disinformation campaigns designed to support their preferred candidate/party. Informed voting based on free exchange of information is directly threatened by the lies at the core of Russian efforts. That is vastly more dangerous, IMO.

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    Pointing out the excitement the posters get on here from foreign political influence when it suits them makes me a low iq Cheeto fan? Uhhhh,ok. I'm doing better than 90% of the idiots on here that somehow are supposed to be the smart savvy Americans. Check the scoreboard.
    False equivalence is what happens when you are led to believe that two things should be given equal weight in your considerations as you come to any given decision, while those two things are not in any way actually equivalent.
    I think you are attempting to make two unequal things equal, because it suits you. That doesn't imply intelligence. It implies either a lack of understanding of how things might or might not be equal or a willingness to deceive.

    Lack of understanding we can work through by discussion. The other, not so much, but will become readily obvious in short order if that is your purpose.
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    I wouldn't count on anything blowing up in his face. They will just keep swallowing the bs.

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    Heard an IA farmer on NPR saying commodities prices, like his corn and soy, are already very low, so Trash's bull trade war comes at the worst possible time.

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    lol. Nothing but a low iq trumper.

    Why do you support Russia interference? Why are swallowing the of treason like spurt and calf tats at a truck stop?
    Lmao at this future mass murderer bonerIFIC. What a ing nut.

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    Heard an IA farmer on NPR saying commodities prices, like his corn and soy, are already very low, so Trash's bull trade war comes at the worst possible time.
    Lets all cry because the chinese death grip is loosening and now they'll have to play fair or sell thei cheap back to their $1/day employees.

    What a bunch of loser ass commies yall are.

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    I wouldn't count on anything blowing up in his face. They will just keep swallowing the bs.
    This guy Tom Nichols who I follow on twitter keeps posting links to people who are being hurt by tariffs directly saying they still support even if it costs them their job or business lol

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    Lets all cry because the chinese death grip is loosening and now they'll have to play fair or sell thei cheap back to their $1/day employees.

    What a bunch of loser ass commies yall are.
    Loolmao at your understanding of economics

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    Heard an IA farmer on NPR saying commodities prices, like his corn and soy, are already very low, so Trash's bull trade war comes at the worst possible time.
    Ancedote good now.

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    Mildly, but not by much. It is a trade war, and one we started.

    Such deliberate economic targeting doesn't really strike at the heart of democracy, like the Russian disinformation campaigns designed to support their preferred candidate/party. Informed voting based on free exchange of information is directly threatened by the lies at the core of Russian efforts. That is vastly more dangerous, IMO.
    Appreciate your directness. You are one of the very few on this board that actually responds to a comment without deflecting. Trump started trade war but do you see the irony in that the left wing now supports Canada, China, etc enforcing policy that it's allegedly based on swaying elections?

    For the record since most of this board is chicken to either carry on a conversation or to disclose their occupation/background. I didn't vote for Trump. No way was I going to be a part of that. I most certainly was not going to vote for Hillary. Would have taken a closer look at Bernie prior to him getting cucked than her. I genuinely think anyone that voted for her is ed in the head and they are part of the situation we are in now because they supported a horrible candidate that gave us no other viable option. I don't agree with tariffs, they are there and always have been to some extent. I do deal in an industry that it's been widely known that the Chinese don't Play fair An easy example for the non ag community to understand is my Chinese water pump I use in my spray tender. 1/4 of the price of a Honda but it's a clone. I can take Honda internal parts and rebuild it. They are the same level as shady on almost all issues.

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