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    So you're comfortable with California and New York deciding the election because: voters have equal rights? OK.
    i'm comfortable with the american people deciding the election because each american voter should have equal say

    its ludicrous that the democrats have gotten more votes from american citizens in 4 of the last 5 elections but the republicans have won the presidency in 3 of those 5

    if they didnt want to go full popular vote, at least take away the winner take all bull and have the state electors assigned based on proportional voting, like many states do in primaries.
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    i'm comfortable with the american people deciding the election because each american voter should have equal say

    its ludicrous that the democrats have gotten more votes from american citizens in 4 of the last 5 elections but the republicans have won the presidency in 3 of those 5

    if they didnt want to go full popular vote, at least take away the winner take all bull and have the state electors assigned based on proportional voting, like many states do in primaries.
    Or the dumb Democrats could stop catering exclusively to the far left base. We need to change the rules because Democrats have abandoned their traditional working class base is a really stupid excuse.

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    Or the dumb Democrats could stop catering exclusively to the far left base.
    Because that's what they did picking Clinton over Sanders?

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    Or the dumb Democrats could stop catering exclusively to the far left base. We need to change the rules because Democrats have abandoned their traditional working class base is a really stupid excuse.
    yeah trump really catered to moderates

    the rules are broken when the will of the american people is set aside because of electoral system making their votes meaningless

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    Maybe if Obama wouldn't have been such a treasonous President, republicans might not have blocked his Supreme Court nomination.

    But the reality is that any lame duck President who sends $150 Billion to Iran has no business nominating a Supreme Court Justice.

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    any? why shouldn't peoples' votes count just because they're from california?
    Why should cal decide the election and not all the states

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    Why should cal decide the election and not all the states
    i dont

    i think the american people should decide the election, and their votes shouldn't be more or less significant based on where they live

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    the rules are broken when the will of the american people is set aside because of electoral system making their votes meaningless
    You're going all-in with this aren't you?

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    i dont

    i think the american people should decide the election, and their votes shouldn't be more or less significant based on where they live
    why should only big cities get to decide the election and not the small cities and towns throughout the country

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    Watching dems lose their minds over this is ing hilarious. No way this court overturns roe v wade.

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    Maybe if Obama wouldn't have been such a treasonous President, republicans might not have blocked his Supreme Court nomination.

    But the reality is that any lame duck President who sends $150 Billion to Iran has no business nominating a Supreme Court Justice.
    LOL Republicans were complete obstructionists from Day 1. A Trump calling anyone a treasonous president is hilarious.

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    i dont

    i think the american people should decide the election, and their votes shouldn't be more or less significant based on where they live
    Gee. Think the guys that made the rules didnt think of this? House = popular vote, Senate = states equality. The great compromise. Its still a union of states, not a federal dictatorship.

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    We are not the United Peoples of America or United Citizens of America but the United STATES of America - each state has their own laws, taxes, etc - separate and different from other states. The electoral college votes go to the candidate who gets the most votes in a state. Aren't the rules known going into the election and isn't there a way to change the cons ution (to popular vote/whatever you want)?

    It reminds me of saying that the person who wins the most points should win a tennis match - that all points should be equal - when they aren't depending on WHEN (or in the case of national elections - WHERE) - you win them. Those are the rules going in - if you don't like the rules, there's a way to change them.

    Regarding Trump's choice - it's the correct choice for the situation - very narrow margin in Senate and the candidate (most establishment one) that will result in that Lisa/Collins duo voting for him. That's all Trump has to do - keep the Republicans together. If the Senate ever gets more Republicans, then he can nominate Amy what's her name.

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    he does not want to make laws
    he looks at past rulings

    he is not some right extermenist people think he is
    Last part is true. He's not bad at all from what I read considering what I was lead to expect or feared

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    why should only big cities get to decide the election and not the small cities and towns throughout the country
    i dont care about big cities or small cities

    just american citizens. they should all vote and their votes should all count the same

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    Gee. Think the guys that made the rules didnt think of this? House = popular vote, Senate = states equality. The great compromise. Its still a union of states, not a federal dictatorship.
    yeah, dont get me started on how bull the senate is. in theory, 50 senators representing only 16% of the US population can block any legislation in the senate.

    there have only been 5 instances total where the winner of the election lost the popular vote. its not like they specifically wanted that to be the regular course of business

    and crofl "dictatorship." nobody said it should be a dictatorship. still decided by a democratic process, with term limits, and cons utional limits on power.

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    Watching dems lose their minds over this is ing hilarious. No way this court overturns roe v wade.
    i'm inclined to agree

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    i dont care about big cities or small cities

    just american citizens. they should all vote and their votes should all count the same
    What say you about who is counted in the census then?

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    You're going all-in with this aren't you?


    trump bad now

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    What say you about who is counted in the census then?
    permanent residents

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    trump bad now
    there is not a person you can agree with everyone he by far was the best choice
    in 2012 he thought that does not mean he thinks that now especially not he is president

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    permanent residents
    legal citizens

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    permanent residents
    The foreign born
    The U.S. Census Bureau uses the term foreign born to refer to anyone who is not a U.S. citizen at birth. This includes naturalized U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents (immigrants), temporary migrants (such as foreign students), humanitarian migrants (such as refugees and asylees), and unauthorized migrants.

    The Census Bureau collects data from all foreign born who participate in its censuses and surveys, regardless of legal status. Thus, unauthorized migrants are implicitly included in Census Bureau estimates of the total foreign-born population, although it is not possible to tabulate separate estimates of unauthorized migrants or any other legal status category.

    https://www.census.gov/topics/popula...orn/about.html

    Frustrating, isn't it? (on both sides)

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    70,000 US citizens in WI, MI and PA vs how many millions of illegal aliens.

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