Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Trill Clinton]

we need a separate thread for the exposal

[Fusternino]

Could've used the full BAE to get Mbah a Moute . . . we need guys who can defend the 3/4 . . . not more guards.

[BatManu20]

Just to mix in some positive vibes with all the wrist-cutting.

[dabom]

RC is a ing amazing GM. He knows his budget for the next 4 years easy. Ya dumb s.

[Joseph Kony]

lmao oh i just saw that pinoy marauder stuff wtf

[Fusternino]

Just to mix in some positive vibes with all the wrist-cutting.

Because we just drafted a guard and used the majority of the MLE on guard that's bigger and moves better without the ball than Forbes? We already had 8 guards last year . . .

I would've preferred the 4/20 Bertans deal and to match Kyle's offer. Not much grief from me there.

We do have the full BAE left but I'm not finding anyone to spend it on. Tarik Black (?) . . . Trevor Booker (?) . . . someone who can guard the 3/4 as good as Kyle.

[loveforthegame]

Thanks - does anyone have a link by chance?

Sorry couldn’t find a link.

Here’s the original post. Page 420/post # 12584

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

[Fusternino]

So, we're using the rest of the MLE to sign Metu for 4 years? Let's hope so . . .

[Seventyniner]

lmao oh i just saw that pinoy marauder stuff wtf

This is approaching Naruto level stuff from downstairs. Dat microwave gun b overflowin wit popcorn.

[BlackSilver]

Didn't see this posted...apologies if duplicate.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...een-traded-yet
Why Hasn't Kawhi Leonard Been Traded Yet?

Ric BucherJuly 10, 2018


For someone who rarely speaks, San Antonio Spurs forward Kawhi Leonard has an awful lot of people in the NBA who would love to talk to him. The fact that they haven't, or can't, is one of several reasons why league executives said a deal that fulfills his wish of not being in San Antonio could take until training camp or even into the season to be consummated.
"Teams are going up and around every way they can to find out where he's training, what he's doing," said one Eastern Conference general manager who counts his team among the interested. "There's so much we just don't know."
The list of questions is extensive. After playing only nine games last season—culminating in a 28-minute stint January 13—because of an unspecified right quad injury, is Leonard healthy? In light of rumors that he wants to play in Los Angeles because it's close to where he grew up in Riverside, how resolute is he about only re-signing with an L.A.-based team when his contract expires next summer? And, finally, how much influence does Leonard's uncle and de facto business manager, Dennis Robertson, have on his thinking?
Nearly half a dozen GMs told Bleacher Report during the first weekend of the Las Vegas Summer League that they would trade for Leonard even without a guarantee he'll stay beyond next season. There is, after all, precedent for players being traded to a team and vowing they won't stay before changing their minds a year later. Paul George just did it by re-upping in Oklahoma City after stating his dream was to play for the Lakers, his childhood team. Chris Webber initially resented being traded by the Washington Wizards to the Sacramento Kings but spurned free agency to sign a seven-year, $122.7 million deal to stay.
"I wouldn't say we're all scared to death to make a deal because there's no chance he'll re-sign [with a team somewhere other than L.A.]," said the Eastern Conference GM. "PG did. C-Webb did."
The first catch, though, is that Leonard's agent, Mitch Frankel, has no other significant clients and only has been representing Leonard the last couple of years. Hence, he has no established trust with NBA GMs, the kind of trust that allows a team to ask Frankel what its chance would be to keep Leonard long-term and believe whatever he might say is a true reflection of his client's feelings.




Another issue is what teams are willing to offer San Antonio without any clear sense of their ability to have him beyond next season. Several GMs said they would deal a quality young player and a future first-round pick even with the prospect that Leonard was just a one-year rental.
And then there is the fact that the Spurs have yet to concede they have to trade Leonard and remain hopeful they can convince him to accept their offer of a supermax contract worth $219 million over five years, according to league sources. Given San Antonio's stance, opposing teams are reluctant to name players they'd be willing to trade and risk having those names getting out into the public, potentially injuring the team's relationship with those players if a deal is never done.
Several GMs noted that the Spurs' willingness to let point guard Tony Parker leave in free agency could be seen as an olive branch of sorts to Leonard. Parker, who signed a two-year deal with the Charlotte Hornets after 17 seasons with the Spurs, was reportedly the most vocally accusatory in a late-season players-only meeting in which Leonard had the severity of his injury questioned.
"They're trying to give the impression that they don't have to trade Kawhi," said one Western Conference GM, who stated he also would make an offer for Leonard if he knew more about his condition and mindset. "The Spurs only like to deal when they have tremendous leverage," he added. "Now they don't have it, and they're trying to create it."
That is why waiting until after training camp opens to move Leonard makes sense, presuming he'll take part in their exhibition schedule.
"It seems like every other player is putting out a video on social media of them working out," said the Eastern Conference GM. "If Kawhi did one, he'd instantly get 35,000 hits, and half of them would be from NBA GMs. How can you make a deal or even an offer without knowing if he can play? He's got to be seen. If he came out and played in preseason and looked good, you'd definitely see teams trying harder to get him."




That gives an edge to several squads in the Eastern Conference. Toronto Raptors GM Masai Ujiri has close ties with Spurs GM R.C. Buford, thanks to a common interest in and support of basketball development in Africa, potentially making Ujiri privy to more information or insight than other general managers. The 76ers have a similar advantage with former Spurs assistant Brett Brown as their head coach and one of their team doctors, based in New York, having been Leonard's personal choice to oversee his quad treatment. Part of the discord between Leonard and the Spurs was the team's initial reluctance to get second opinions, league sources said.
Where and when is all this resolved? It's a good question. When it comes to Kawhi, one of many.

Ric Bucher covers the NBA for Bleacher Report. Follow him on Twitter: @RicBucher.

[ducks]

Because we just drafted a guard and used the majority of the MLE on guard that's bigger and moves better without the ball than Forbes? We already had 8 guards last year . . .

I would've preferred the 4/20 Bertans deal and to match Kyle's offer. Not much grief from me there.

We do have the full BAE left but I'm not finding anyone to spend it on. Tarik Black (?) . . . Trevor Booker (?) . . . someone who can guard the 3/4 as good as Kyle.

if we use bird rights we still have the mle right ?

[Fusternino]

if we use bird rights we still have the mle right ?

I think we have early Bird Rights for Forbes which we can use so yes the rest of the MLE stays untouched for now. BAE is still available too and we only are hard-capped at the apron, not the tax line itself. Although I'm not sure ownership is willing to go over the tax line . . .

[marinoman]

Pinoy Marauder

[Vic Petro]

The first catch, though, is that Leonard's agent, Mitch Frankel, has no other significant clients and only has been representing Leonard the last couple of years. Hence, he has no established trust with NBA GMs, the kind of trust that allows a team to ask Frankel what its chance would be to keep Leonard long-term and believe whatever he might say is a true reflection of his client's feelings.

This directly corroborates the report of Michael Wright, who a certain Marauder has been working hard to discredit.

[Slippy]

Didn't see this posted...apologies if duplicate.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...een-traded-yet
Why Hasn't Kawhi Leonard Been Traded Yet?

Ric BucherJuly 10, 2018



Another issue is what teams are willing to offer San Antonio without any clear sense of their ability to have him beyond next season. Several GMs said they would deal a quality young player and a future first-round pick even with the prospect that Leonard was just a one-year rental.
And then there is the fact that the Spurs have yet to concede they have to trade Leonard and remain hopeful they can convince him to accept their offer of a supermax contract worth $219 million over five years, according to league sources. Given San Antonio's stance, opposing teams are reluctant to name players they'd be willing to trade and risk having those names getting out into the public, potentially injuring the team's relationship with those players if a deal is never done.
Several GMs noted that the Spurs' willingness to let point guard Tony Parker leave in free agency could be seen as an olive branch of sorts to Leonard. Parker, who signed a two-year deal with the Charlotte Hornets after 17 seasons with the Spurs, was reportedly the most vocally accusatory in a late-season players-only meeting in which Leonard had the severity of his injury questioned.
"They're trying to give the impression that they don't have to trade Kawhi," said one Western Conference GM, who stated he also would make an offer for Leonard if he knew more about his condition and mindset. "The Spurs only like to deal when they have tremendous leverage," he added. "Now they don't have it, and they're trying to create it."
That is why waiting until after training camp opens to move Leonard makes sense, presuming he'll take part in their exhibition schedule.
"It seems like every other player is putting out a video on social media of them working out," said the Eastern Conference GM. "If Kawhi did one, he'd instantly get 35,000 hits, and half of them would be from NBA GMs. How can you make a deal or even an offer without knowing if he can play? He's got to be seen. If he came out and played in preseason and looked good, you'd definitely see teams trying harder to get him."




That gives an edge to several squads in the Eastern Conference. Toronto Raptors GM Masai Ujiri has close ties with Spurs GM R.C. Buford, thanks to a common interest in and support of basketball development in Africa, potentially making Ujiri privy to more information or insight than other general managers. The 76ers have a similar advantage with former Spurs assistant Brett Brown as their head coach and one of their team doctors, based in New York, having been Leonard's personal choice to oversee his quad treatment. Part of the discord between Leonard and the Spurs was the team's initial reluctance to get second opinions, league sources said.
Where and when is all this resolved? It's a good question. When it comes to Kawhi, one of many.

Ric Bucher covers the NBA for Bleacher Report. Follow him on Twitter: @RicBucher.

Thanks for posting. Glad to see the 1 year rental for Kawhi market is strong for obvious reasons. Like many of us have said just sit tight & wait. The only thing that I can see limiting spurs getting the best deal is Kawhis group restricting medicals to teams interested in trading? I would of thought that its illegal to restrict info on health but then again we dealing with Kawhis group here .

[johnnymoore]

Thanks for posting. Glad to see the 1 year rental for Kawhi market is strong for obvious reasons. Like many of us have said just sit tight & wait. The only thing that I can see limiting spurs getting the best deal is Kawhis group restricting medicals to teams interested in trading? I would of thought that its illegal to restrict info on health but then again we dealing with Kawhis group here .

It's illegal to SHARE health info w/o a person's permission. To the extent that the Spurs can have access is only in relation to KL's ability to show up to work, and if he claims injury, to have a medical professional evaluate whatever the injury is. That's why if the Spurs think he's jaking it, a 3rd party is brought in and, after the exam, can only give his/her opinion on whether the injury is legit, but doesn't have to share details.

[Slippy]

It's illegal to SHARE health info w/o a person's permission. To the extent that the Spurs can have access is only in relation to KL's ability to show up to work, and if he claims injury, to have a medical professional evaluate whatever the injury is. That's why if the Spurs think he's jaking it, a 3rd party is brought in and, after the exam, can only give his/her opinion on whether the injury is legit, but doesn't have to share details.

thanks.. that's good to know . So wait till training camp, see if kawhi pulls his injury crap, get that third party involved. If he doesn't then even better , let him play some exhibition games, team see hes healthy & then trade.

[DPG21920]

Sorry couldn’t find a link.

Here’s the original post. Page 420/post # 12584

Thanks!

[dbreiden83080]

Spurs really don’t give a about him being a whiny little . They will trade him if the right offer comes their way. He is not in some strong negotiating position despite what some ass clowns in the media would lead you to believe. He can’t simply refuse to show up to training camp because he would not get paid. Don’t listen to the clowns reporting this crap. They have an agenda.

[johnnymoore]

Spurs really don’t give a about him being a whiny little . They will trade him if the right offer comes their way. He is not in some strong negotiating position despite what some ass clowns in the media would lead you to believe. He can’t simply refuse to show up to training camp because he would not get paid. Don’t listen to the clowns reporting this crap. They have an agenda.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The National Media is out to screw the Spurs.

Back in the real world, Kawhi is in the best position. Soft tissue injuries are damned near impossible to diagnose, prove and/or disprove - that is why there are so many ambulance chasing lawyers. Worst case scenario, KL claims ankle pain, gets an arthroscope, sits out six weeks, gets the other ankle scoped, sits out six more weeks, then starts on the elbows.

This isn't the era for a team to try a power play on a prime athlete. If the Spurs want to keep him, they need to woo him and sweettalk him, not try to win a battle of wills.

You'd do better offering to let him approve every roster move or pick the next head coach. , offer him non-stop fellatio from every college cheerleader in the county. But fighting him and/or trying to force him to do your will is a no-win strategy.

[dbreiden83080]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The National Media is out to screw the Spurs.

Back in the real world, Kawhi is in the best position. Soft tissue injuries are damned near impossible to diagnose, prove and/or disprove - that is why there are so many ambulance chasing lawyers. Worst case scenario, KL claims ankle pain, gets an arthroscope, sits out six weeks, gets the other ankle scoped, sits out six more weeks, then starts on the elbows.

This isn't the era for a team to try a power play on a prime athlete. If the Spurs want to keep him, they need to woo him and sweettalk him, not try to win a battle of wills.

You'd do better offering to let him approve every roster move or pick the next head coach. , offer him non-stop fellatio from every college cheerleader in the county. But fighting him and/or trying to force him to do your will is a no-win strategy.

I seriously dare this mother er to get traded to a legendary franchise like the Philadelphia 76ers and refuse to show up for the physical. I ing dare him. The entire league will completely turn it’s back on this piece of . You don’t do like that. So we will see what happens with this .

[offset formation]

The Spurs definitely.

So in essence, what your saying is you like it up the ass?

[DAF86]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The National Media is out to screw the Spurs.

Back in the real world, Kawhi is in the best position. Soft tissue injuries are damned near impossible to diagnose, prove and/or disprove - that is why there are so many ambulance chasing lawyers. Worst case scenario, KL claims ankle pain, gets an arthroscope, sits out six weeks, gets the other ankle scoped, sits out six more weeks, then starts on the elbows.

This isn't the era for a team to try a power play on a prime athlete. If the Spurs want to keep him, they need to woo him and sweettalk him, not try to win a battle of wills.

lol son.

And what would Kawhi gain from that other than wasting two straight years of his prime and have teams around the league questioning just how valuable the guy really is?

I guess if he's really cool with the idea of losing a ton of money, he might try to pull that you fantasized.

[cutewizard]

Spurs need to heed their own advice and get over themselves with this Spurs material nonsense. That was fine when they had an all-time core and about as good a chance as any team to win the championship in a given season. Now, they're like most teams, who need to do whatever they can to acquire front line talent.

I could understand not wanting to touch a Cousins, but if they don't want Fultz just because he's not Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili or Parker (who is?) or because they think they have their PG of the future in Murray, that's insane.

[cutewizard]

Just do it Spurs

Trade kawhi