Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[FkLA]

I don't even want this got anymore, tbh.

working things out and getting through to him. If you sign him to a supermax (wthout a no-trade clause), ship him to some hole franchise ASAP.

[YGWHI]

But I can understand Fakers fans meltdown, they were already ing all over themselves and were ordering PG13 and Kawhi jerseys and all they got is LeRetreat and Javalance.

Like we didn't make many threads on ST hoping LeBron to sign with the Spurs. Now, he's just LeRetreat?

I HATE the Lakers too but you shouldn't talk about fans' meltdowns..

[Dverde]

LeBron will play point if he has to, but has indicated he wants to play off-ball. If they get Leonard they’ll probably slot Ingram at the two (or Leonard) and trot out Rondo-Ingram-Leonard-James-McGee/some ring-chasing vet like Monroe. Scary on paper and the length is formidable.

Ingram is 6-9, I can’t see him guarding SGs full time. Kawhi would be better, but that was before his injury history. They can trot whoever they want out there. I think having 3 SF playing the most minutes on the team is foolhardy.

[hater]

even if Mute Cancer goes to Lakers and is 100% healthy there is no way they dont get obliterated by Worriers

I think everyone in the league knows 2018-19 is a forgone season and also 19-20. Ewveryone should be reloqding for 2020-2021

[johnnymoore]

So the point is the Lakers should just keep the pieces of their trade package.

There is a strong sentiment for that position in Lakerland, especially given the fact that Kawhi hasn't played in a while.

I don’t know why anyone has to get riled up with the Spurs not trading Leonard to the Lakers if the Lakers get to keep decent players.

I haven't seen anyone (on the Lakers side) getting riled up about about the Spurs not trading KL to the Lakers. I've been giving you guys the needle about the absurdity of some of the Spursfans' positions - "don't trade KL for anything less than Steph, Klay and 3 lottery picks! He's a deaf, mute, got re with Asperger's, but he's the best player in the History of the NBA!" - but trust me, no one is rushing to give up the farm for him. If the situation is such that the Spurs will accept a reasonable return, then sure, why not get him earlier and give him more $$$. However, waiting until next summer works for a lot of us.

Let’s not forget the fact the Lakers are a big market team that has failed to put something together despite its spending capacity and its corresponding lifestyle, arguably points of attraction to free agents. To whom much is given, much is expected. The Spurs might turn out to be this season’s punch line, but the rest of the league has been laughing at the Lakers and the Knicks for years now.

It's been 8 years since the Lakers have won a championship, true, but let's remember that it was the small market owners (Gilbert & company) plus Cuban who whined and cajoled the Commissioner to (in an unprecedented move) void a trade for Chris Paul in 2011. The Lakers said at the time that Stern was setting the franchise back ten years - and it did. Well, it's a couple of years early, but time's up.

As for "hating" the Spurs - nah. We kinda like Pop. He's the 2nd greatest HC of all time (demerits for stabbing Bob Hill in the back) behind Phil Jackson and, except for "Cuckold Brent" Barry and Bruce Bowen, you've had a pretty likable group of players.

[YGWHI]

I doubt teams get better info about his health since no one gains Spurs' permission to speak with Leonard's representatives.

I’ve been telling people that Kawhi needs to post a video...it’s the most obvious thing in the world.

It's hard to trust an article that says GMs just want to see Kawhi's workouts in a video... like videos are a proof of something. Trust me, I've manipulated my videos in such a way that I play like MJ in all them.

[FireMicoHalili]

There is a strong sentiment for that position in Lakerland, especially given the fact that Kawhi hasn't played in a while.



I haven't seen anyone (on the Lakers side) getting riled up about about the Spurs not trading KL to the Lakers. I've been giving you guys the needle about the absurdity of some of the Spursfans' positions - "don't trade KL for anything less than Steph, Klay and 3 lottery picks! He's a deaf, mute, got re with Asperger's, but he's the best player in the History of the NBA!" - but trust me, no one is rushing to give up the farm for him. If the situation is such that the Spurs will accept a reasonable return, then sure, why not get him earlier and give him more $$$. However, waiting until next summer works for a lot of us.



It's been 8 years since the Lakers have won a championship, true, but let's remember that it was the small market owners (Gilbert & company) plus Cuban who whined and cajoled the Commissioner to (in an unprecedented move) void a trade for Chris Paul in 2011. The Lakers said at the time that Stern was setting the franchise back ten years - and it did. Well, it's a couple of years early, but time's up.

As for "hating" the Spurs - nah. We kinda like Pop. He's the 2nd greatest HC of all time (demerits for stabbing Bob Hill in the back) behind Phil Jackson and, except for "Cuckold Brent" Barry and Bruce Bowen, you've had a pretty likable group of players.

I understand why no one wants to give up a lot for him and it makes a ton of sense to just keep things as is for the Lakers. There are other deals out there, but Kuzma, Hart, Deng and a pick won’t cut it. As to other posters who demand the world for him just let them set up themselves for disappointment. I’m sure there’s a middle ground and though I would love for the Spurs to get Ingram the Lakers are better off letting the core develop with nudging from LeBron. He did some fantastic things with Hood, Nance, and Clarkson and this is a smarter, if not better, squad he’s working with. Third to eighth seed in a fun western conference should inject a lot of positivity into your fan base.

Get used to this cesspool fam, you’re the one who dove right into it. All things considered, great points made.

[cd98]

Won't they be able to see Kawhi play at the mini camp for Team USA? It's in two weeks.

[FireMicoHalili]

https://www.twitter.com/fredm1913/status/1016498598102618112

sports media nobodies are just hurling poop hoping something sticks

[Spurs9]

https://www.twitter.com/fredm1913/status/1016498598102618112

sports media nobodies are just hurling poop hoping something sticks

His source is probably Pinoy Marauder

[coachmac87]

Won't they be able to see Kawhi play at the mini camp for Team USA? It's in two weeks.

Doubt he shows up..

[YGWHI]

Won't they be able to see Kawhi play at the mini camp for Team USA? It's in two weeks.

Kawhi didn't work with them since 2015, he has declined last two invitations to join Team USA. I guess he likes to work in SD with his trainer in the summer.

[Russ]

Kawhi didn't work with them since 2015, he has declined last two invitations to join Team USA. I guess he likes to work in SD with his trainer in the summer.

KL is the last type of player to play for Team USA. Never has, never will.

[spurschamps99030507]

It doesn't make sense to accept the garbage of the fakers and it doesn't make sense the of the sixers
you cant trade a top 3 in the league because you have to analyze the roster you have




if you trade to the rat you only have one player all star LMA and you bring more role players?


its ridiculous, does not the roster make any sense when you sign forbes, belinelli, gay, bertans, maybe ginobili when you trade the sixers of a top 3 in the league for 2 role players?


It's absurd, it does not make sense this summer's plan to sign role players to accept an offer of for more role players (saric covington)


you have to force the rat and his group to show up in the training camp


look at the disaster that the cavs did with irving, they accepted mediocre players and look at them now

[BatManu20]

Ingram is 6-9, I can’t see him guarding SGs full time. Kawhi would be better, but that was before his injury history. They can trot whoever they want out there. I think having 3 SF playing the most minutes on the team is foolhardy.

Ingram is 6'11.

[Killakobe81]

The Spurs have annually gone through a roster of G-Leaguers in hopes of trying to find value. The fan base has had to “endure” guys like Mensah-Bonsu, Chris Quinn, Melvin Saunders, so on and so forth. The fan base has hated the penny-pinching, but it’s all part of the charm. I see the Lakers have had some success with late draft picks which is a good sign, since another year of futility would have meant the Lakers brass has learned nothing these past few years.

I agree, it will all be amusing to see the dynasty (or whatever remains of it) come crashing down. Most of the fans here may have been spoiled with championships and constant playoff appearances that it’s imminent the Spurs are due for a downfall. The NBA hoi polloi - perhaps, save the Spurs themselves - have long anticipated and awaited the fall of San Antonio. Everyone thought they were done in 2005, then in 2007, then 2014. I understand it’s tedious to hate the Spurs year after year, more so they made the Lakers look bad in 2013 given the talented core the Lakers had. Long overdue serving of humble pie, and it will be good not only for the fan base but for the front office as well, to serve as a lesson in adjustment. Good things never last, only that the Lakers’ run of dominance ended much sooner.

It must be difficult living in irrelevance even with all that money, those high draft picks, and the wasted free agent pitches that have worked, for the most part, in the early 00’s. The Lakers snagged LeBron, one of the greatest players in this era, plus a mixed bag of acquisitions which may or may not pan out, but the total result will be better than any other result the Lakers have had in the past years. You probably have personal reasons for hating the Spurs, but the fact remains: Leonard isn’t a Laker yet. One week of all that frenzy and wasted emotional investment just to have no star with which to pair LeBron. Impatient lot, as your kind has always been. The schadenfreude is forthcoming and the Spurs might actually lose a lot in terms of value, but there are fans who will roll with the team with or without Leonard. In the first place, the front office didn’t give up a lot for this guy. Whatever comes out of a Leonard trade will be a return of investment on freaking George Hill. Save for Jean-Charles the Spurs have managed to eke out value in tight situations. This team will be fine, and if it doesn’t, there wasn’t much to work with in the first place anyway. Not a lot of fans experience a run of dominance this long, see marquee players who take a pay cut flourish and retire, and a scouting program that manages to find value at the dregs of the draft.

Equally as comical by the way: why are the Lakers so high on their younger players but keep insisting on a trade for Leonard? I thought there was a lot of trust in Ingram and/or Kuzma or whoever the your lot keeps throwing in for Kawhi? If they’re so good maybe the Lakers should just keep them and move on toward the season with that core. Everyone wins.

Despite a few shots at Laker nation this is a mostly fair, nuanced and strong post.
I agree we should keep our young core.
Ingram I am absolutely sure that if we are patient, will develop in to what we need as #2. I am not sure he can ever be a #1 like KL but that is the beauty of getting LeBron and not a #2 like PG13 and paying him like a true superstar. We don't need a #1 we have the best #1 already.
But this requires patience from LeBron, Maginka and smart fans to allow him to develop. The less validation we have that KL is 100% the less I want us to push in all the chips. Ingram
+ Kuzma is a non-starter for me. And I pretty much now almost feel Ingram is untouchable. Still would consider Kuzma/Hart and a first. But the more I see of how much Hart/Kuzma is working to improve not sure I would do that either.

I get that as a Spur fan yall undervalue our prospects, hate Lakers and don't want to acquiesce to KL's camp. So yall seem like you would take less from Sixes to avoid trading him to us. Silly to me but I understand.

What I don't get is the keep him and let him walk stance. I do agree yall should try and determine if relationship is salvageable and If you think he is 100% pay him the supermax.

But you can not and should not let him walk for nothing... That is the dumbest take. Even getting another expiring contract(s) that you might want to see if they work with the Spurs system is smarter than letting him walk for NADA. Picks and expirings are better than just cap space if he walks next year.
The reason I even still care because outside of LeBron this is the only other move that matters. CP3, PG13, Boogie, even drafting Ayton, Bagley none of that really matters as much as KL.
I am hoping yall don't trade him to Philly (dont dislike Sixes but if Embiid stays healthy which again I have my doubts like with Porzingis) and form a super team but hate yall trading him to Celts even more. Send him anywhere else or resign him and hope time heals all the negative vibes and his quad. But I think honestly that will be tough.

[Killakobe81]

Sometimes you gotta show compassion for your foes. Seeing that Johnny Moore kid get humiliated like that is kinda painful.

And you can see the way Fakers fans all are coming out of their long time shame hole this summer how they're envious and admirative of the Spurs. What kind of frustrated fan is obsessed like that by another team ? "

But I can understand Fakers fans meltdown, they were already ing all over themselves and were ordering PG13 and Kawhi jerseys and all they got is LeRetreat and Javalance. They were preparing the parade and might end up not even make the PO in a loaded West

"Kawhi has all the power mawahah, you fools ! He can waste another year of his prime after saying he was 100% and GMs already wary about his current situation then finish to kill his rep and sign with my Fakers for nothing, hehe !!"

That clown might have been banned even from Fakers forums with terrible takes like that.

Won't make playoffs?! PLEASE, Stop. Beat Warriors is laughable... Not making playoffs equally laughable.

[BatManu20]

[YGWHI]

KL is the last type of player to play for Team USA. Never has, never will.

Agree. He never showed any interest in being part of the team.

[baseline bum]

But you can not and should not let him walk for nothing... That is the dumbest take. Even getting another expiring contract(s) that you might want to see if they work with the Spurs system is smarter than letting him walk for NADA. Picks and expirings are better than just cap space if he walks next year.

Weren't you the one agreeing with me that they had to insist on Tatum in a Boston deal? So why would they take crap from other teams besides Boston? The point of holding him is the Spurs wouldn't be alone eating the sandwich, Kawhi would have to take a few bites too. I'm all for getting nothing and sitting him vs taking back crap and giving Leonard what he wants.

[Killakobe81]

There is a strong sentiment for that position in Lakerland, especially given the fact that Kawhi hasn't played in a while.



I haven't seen anyone (on the Lakers side) getting riled up about about the Spurs not trading KL to the Lakers. I've been giving you guys the needle about the absurdity of some of the Spursfans' positions - "don't trade KL for anything less than Steph, Klay and 3 lottery picks! He's a deaf, mute, got re with Asperger's, but he's the best player in the History of the NBA!" - but trust me, no one is rushing to give up the farm for him. If the situation is such that the Spurs will accept a reasonable return, then sure, why not get him earlier and give him more $$$. However, waiting until next summer works for a lot of us.



It's been 8 years since the Lakers have won a championship, true, but let's remember that it was the small market owners (Gilbert & company) plus Cuban who whined and cajoled the Commissioner to (in an unprecedented move) void a trade for Chris Paul in 2011. The Lakers said at the time that Stern was setting the franchise back ten years - and it did. Well, it's a couple of years early, but time's up.

As for "hating" the Spurs - nah. We kinda like Pop. He's the 2nd greatest HC of all time (demerits for stabbing Bob Hill in the back) behind Phil Jackson and, except for "Cuckold Brent" Barry and Bruce Bowen, you've had a pretty likable group of players.

That is the strange part. If you never go to ST or never visit SA you would have no clue on the hatred they harbor for us. I never hated the Spurs or Pop. Bowen, Barry and Sean Elliott (announcer not player) absolutely. But Duncan, Manu, Pop, David and to a lessor degree Tony (and KL) no reason to hate those guys. Great classy players their fan base though has some good posters but a lot of bitter and insecure folks that you sometimes can't tell they have been the best franchise of the past 21 years the way they rip Pop/Tony/Manu on here...

[cutewizard]

Damn. Done. Deal.

Baka gumawa na ng bagong account yan. Start over.

Pinoy rin ba sya tulad natin?

[Strategic]

Not sure why the lakers didn’t trade up to draft George Hill in 2008 so the could trade him for KL’s rights in the 2011 draft. Now they think the Spurs are idiots.

[spurschamps99030507]

The more conflicting information I hear from people one or two steps away about what Leonard does/doesn’t want, the more I think some team — maybe one of these three — should be more aggressive gambling on a rental and selling Leonard on its culture. The Sixers haven’t offered Markelle Fultz, sources say, and it’s unclear if the Spurs want him. We know what Boston has. I pitched (among others) a Toronto swap centered on DeMar DeRozan last week

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...ba-free-agency

[Killakobe81]

Weren't you the one agreeing with me that they had to insist on Tatum in a Boston deal? So why would they take crap from other teams besides Boston? The point of holding him is the Spurs wouldn't be alone eating the sandwich, Kawhi would have to take a few bites too. I'm all for getting nothing and sitting him vs taking back crap and giving Leonard what he wants.

I agree on insisting on Tatum but never agreed on letting him walk. A deal that could work is even Porzingis, Knox expirings and picks. If he is healthy. You get a chance to sign KP I don't like him longterm cuz I don't trust his health but if healthy you could resign him. Knox is not Tatum but you take their best young prospect and a unprotected first and a future protected.

Doubtful Knicks give up that much but a similar deal is better than NADA. A player, their best young prospect and a pick should be starting point. Not every best young prospect will be as good as Tatum.