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    What America Gets Out of NATO

    By Nicholas Burns
    Mr. Burns is a former ambassador to NATO.

    I have visited four European countries during the last two weeks, and it has been shocking to see how far from grace the United States has fallen in the eyes of its allies. European leaders point to Mr. Trump’s support for anti-democratic populists in Hungary, Poland and Italy. They view his recent Twitter attack on Ms. Merkel as a transparent attempt to push her from office.

    First, NATO’s formidable conventional and nuclear forces are the most effective way to protect North America and Europe — the heart of the democratic world — from attack.

    Threats to our collective security have not vanished in the 21st century. Mr. Putin remains a determined adversary preying on Eastern Europe and American elections. NATO is a force multiplier: The United States has allies who will stand by us, while Russia has none.

    The United States has relied on NATO allies to strike back against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the Islamic State in the Middle East.

    European troops have replaced American soldiers in peacekeeping missions in Bosnia and contribute the large majority in Kosovo.


    A second reason for maintaining the trans-Atlantic alliance is America’s economic future.

    The European Union is our country’s largest trade partner, and its largest investor. The United States and the European Union are the world’s two largest economies, and can steer global trade to their advantage if they stick together. More than four million Americans work for European companies in the United States. Forty-five of the 50 states export more to Europe than to China.

    Third, future American leaders will find Europe is our most capable and willing partner in tackling the biggest threats to global security:

    climate change; drug and cybercrime cartels; terrorism; pandemics and mass migration from Africa and the Middle East.

    And America’s NATO allies will continue to be indispensable in safeguarding democracy and freedom, under assault by Russia and China.

    his blistering attacks on Europe’s trade policies and defense budgets are a good negotiating tactic before the summit.

    But in fact they have already done enormous damage.

    While he cannot outright kill NATO — the American public and Congress support it too strongly —

    he has eroded significant levels of trust and good will.

    As it became clear during my recent visits across Europe,

    a dangerous breach has opened in the trans-Atlantic alliance — by far the worst in seven decades.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/opinion/what-america-gets-out-of-nato.html?partner=rss&emc=rss


    Trash and all you Trash supporters to



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    pls NATO members spend 4%



    France is at 1,8 and aim 2% by 2025... Trash has surely convinced Macron to go 4% next year

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    look at you trying to tighten the screws on your desperate question

    None, druggy.

    Poor poor high kw
    the desperation stinks to high but it all falls on your head. you can call me a druggy all you want. guess what blake, i'm not high right now nor do i smoke during the day at all, i might trip once a yr on a god given substance, i don't drink really and if i do happen to it's like once or twice a yr and consists of like 1 watered down drink because i hate alcohol, i have only ever tried bud-cid-mush-xans-addys-alcohol and none of which are a daily routine for me except bud which is a nightly routine but not every night, as well i don't live off the gov't, i contribute to society, i am on no meds, but some how i am a druggy? things that make you go hmm...

    now, what are you on? or do you want to keep avoiding the question which leads to a reasonable assumption that you are another slave to bigPharma?

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    NATOs existed for that reason a long time ago moron.. it has been a while since NATO is made to try to police happening all over the world.. Protect Europe ? nowadays Europe needs protection against US... Trash just wants to cut Germany supplying of natural gaz... on this topic and many others you are a tool. Europe would be better to sign a military treaty with Puttin at this point

    De Gaulle went out from NATO and we came back under our own conditions with for instance 0 interference or supervision of NATO of our nuclear program...

    France would give two s if Trash take his army out of Europe.. What is protecting France is its 300 nuclear warheads not some ing bases that NSA is using to spy european


    US knows a bit also about white flag waving, could not take anylonger dat war in Vietnam
    thinking you can protect yourself with only 300 nukes

    What if an eastern europe war breaks out and causes instability in France? You gonna start shooting nukes?

    Nukes for french are purely symbolic as they will never use them. They cant even nuke Germany if they decide to invade france again as the nuclear fallout would wipe out france as well

    You are not even at preschool levels in terms of geopolitics nika

    Now I ask you again if Germany, Britain, or even Turkey starts marching to France what will you do without Daddy USA?

    You will your pants and wave the white flag as you have already done so

    France is US vassal and will do as told

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    thinking you can protect yourself with only 300 nukes

    What if an eastern europe war breaks out and causes instability in France? You gonna start shooting nukes?

    Nukes for french are purely symbolic as they will never use them. They cant even nuke Germany if they decide to invade france again as the nuclear fallout would wipe out france as well

    You are not even at preschool levels in terms of geopolitics nika

    Now I ask you again if Germany, Britain, or even Turkey starts marching to France what will you do without Daddy USA?

    You will your pants and wave the white flag as you have already done so

    France is US vassal and will do as told
    300 nukes is enough to kill 80 M Russians dumb .. War in Eastern Europe already broke up in the past nato and Sam uncle did nothing during dat period ing tool

    also Britain marching to France how can you be so stupid tbh ? Dirty Colombian speaking geopolitics

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    300 nukes is enough to kill 80 M Russians dumb .. War in Eastern Europe already broke up in the past nato and Sam uncle did nothing during dat period ing tool

    also Britain marching to France how can you be so stupid tbh ? Dirty Colombian speaking geopolitics
    French got begging for Uncle Sam to save his bacon

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    French got begging for Uncle Sam to save his bacon
    14%

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    300 nukes is enough to kill 80 M Russians dumb .. War in Eastern Europe already broke up in the past nato and Sam uncle did nothing during dat period ing tool

    also Britain marching to France how can you be so stupid tbh ? Dirty Colombian speaking geopolitics
    You stupid ignorant moron

    Do you know the fallout of even 20 nukes shot from France to Russia??

    All of western europe would become pitch dark 24/7 with nuclear smoke for years

    You would be eating baggettes with tentacles ya dip

    Ya nigs cannot protect yourselves from a conventional army marching to your border wig nukes

    Where did you learn your geopolitics? Asterix magazines?

    Now that nukes are out of the equation I ask you once again what will you do if 100,000 russian troops and 1000 tanks are marching towards Paris?

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    Trump is a total humiliation.

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    Hater getting a big, fat W.

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    So we have to both make sure that NATO carries out its traditional mission, but also to meet the threats of NATO’s southern flank. That’s why we need to stay nimble, and make sure our forces are interoperable, and invest in new capabilities like cyber defense and missile defense. And that’s why every NATO member should be contributing its full share -- 2 percent of GDP -- towards our common security, something that doesn’t always happen. And I’ll be honest, sometimes Europe has been complacent about its own defense.
    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...-people-europe

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    Per CNN:

    President Donald Trump said Thursday in an unscheduled news conference that all NATO members have agreed to increase their defense spending after he told them he was "extremely unhappy."



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    You stupid ignorant moron

    Do you know the fallout of even 20 nukes shot from France to Russia??

    All of western europe would become pitch dark 24/7 with nuclear smoke for years

    You would be eating baggettes with tentacles ya dip

    Ya nigs cannot protect yourselves from a conventional army marching to your border wig nukes

    Where did you learn your geopolitics? Asterix magazines?

    Now that nukes are out of the equation I ask you once again what will you do if 100,000 russian troops and 1000 tanks are marching towards Paris?
    You are even more stupid than I thought
    Now that nukes are out of the equation
    not understanding how muclear dissuasion is working

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    Per CNN:

    President Donald Trump said Thursday in an unscheduled news conference that all NATO members have agreed to increase their defense spending after he told them he was "extremely unhappy."



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    ing idiot
    all nato members promissed the same years ago and only a couple of countries are doing it
    thinking Trash big mouth is making any difference
    the whole world just waiting the end of his presidency

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    just read this whole cnn

    so basically Trump says under my pressure they agree.. later well NATO members agree to respect agreement signed in 2014 to increase spending up to 2%

    Hater, colombian defending Trash

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    Wake me up next time a french president comes to US and berates and demands increase in spending in aome area and americans take it up the ass like you guys did

    Now get to work slave and increase that military spending

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    “Mr. Trump shared his point of view. An ally has the right to speak about strategic issues,” Macron said.

    fairy boy taking it up the chute

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    Wake me up next time a french president comes to US and berates and demands increase in spending in aome area and americans take it up the ass like you guys did

    Now get to work slave and increase that military spending
    Maybe they’ll all get together and watch Gorilla TV with him tbh

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    the desperation stinks to high but it all falls on your head. you can call me a druggy all you want. guess what blake, i'm not high right now nor do i smoke during the day at all, i might trip once a yr on a god given substance....

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    now, what are you on? or do you want to keep avoiding the question which leads to a reasonable assumption that you are another slave to bigPharma?
    Lol reasonable assumption.

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    Hater getting a big, fat W.
    I actually agree with my brazilian counterpart that Russia is no threat and Europe is really in no grave danger

    NATO was formed after WW2 primarily to prevent another invasion of Europe from anyone. But in truth it really was designed to counter and protect from Soviets.

    Lets take a moment to remember Soviets NEVER invaded Western Europe.

    Lately NATO was degenerated into a monster that forces war all over the world and encroaches on Russia (something that is illegal as Stalin and Teddy had signed agreements to never encroach on each other)

    So now NATO is a disgusting monster that is mainly used by US to wage war for empirical purposes. Also it has enslaved Europe as they basically have no defense if you take US troops away.

    Trump in his own clumsy way is trying to fix this my telking Euro countries they need to start protecting themselves and stop depending on US for protection. Trump also helping US because then he can lower US spening in Europe protection and have them pay some to US military complex.

    So yes Trump is a brute but his actions might end up with a kore balanced world order and stronger Europe

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    Wake me up next time a french president comes to US and berates and demands increase in spending in aome area and americans take it up the ass like you guys did

    Now get to work slave and increase that military spending
    “Mr. Trump shared his point of view. An ally has the right to speak about strategic issues,” Macron said.

    fairy boy taking it up the chute
    you are a clown

    "Everyone has agreed to substantially up their commitment. They're going to up it at levels that they never thought of before," Trump said.


    But French President Emmanuel Macron Thursday rejected Trump's assertion.
    "There was a communiqué released yesterday it was very detailed and I invite you to read it ... It shows the measures approved by all the member states. This communiqué is clear, it reaffirms a commitment to 2% in 2024. That is all," Macron said.

    so yeah Macron confirms the commitment he made in 2014 nothing more nothing less.. now go ahead and claim victory

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    Trash/Repugs/oligarchy loves "free riders" in union shops, but doesn't like to be supposedly "free ridden" by allies.

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    I actually agree with my brazilian counterpart that Russia is no threat and Europe is really in no grave danger

    NATO was formed after WW2 primarily to prevent another invasion of Europe from anyone. But in truth it really was designed to counter and protect from Soviets.

    Lets take a moment to remember Soviets NEVER invaded Western Europe.

    Lately NATO was degenerated into a monster that forces war all over the world and encroaches on Russia (something that is illegal as Stalin and Teddy had signed agreements to never encroach on each other)

    So now NATO is a disgusting monster that is mainly used by US to wage war for empirical purposes.
    what happened bro ? you finally saw the light ? that's exactly what I was saying.. smh

    Also it has enslaved Europe as they basically have no defense if you take US troops away.
    It has enslaved England and small eastern european countries... It did not enslave France and in a less extent Germany.. France produces, develops and maintains his arsenal independently of NATO / US.. De Gaulle wanted it that way, it has cost a lot to France but that was the goal.. France is the only country outside US and Russia who has developped independently his nuclear arsenal..

    Trump in his own clumsy way is trying to fix this my telking Euro countries they need to start protecting themselves and stop depending on US for protection. Trump also helping US because then he can lower US spening in Europe protection and have them pay some to US military complex.

    So yes Trump is a brute but his actions might end up with a kore balanced world order and stronger Europe
    Trash is a clown who weaken his "allies" and strenghten his "enemies", all that is made not thinking of US interests but thinking to reinforce his electoral base and prepare reelection

    I believe the traditional alliance US/Europe should be reinforced and not the contrary

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    Trash is gonna brag, preen that he "fixed" NATO

    that will turn out to like Trash's own "fake news", like he said he "fixed" NK

    and you stupid, ignorant Trash-fellatin' cult will believe his "fake news" yet again.
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