Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[daslicer]

1) I’m not even sure Kawhi wants to go to Team USA practice. He has not shown any interest before, why do it now?

2) If Kawhi goes to Team USA camp, Pop is too professional to “take advantage” of that siutuation.

In my opinion the Spurs are either not satisfied w/ the known trade packages (most probably there are deals they are waiting for that nobody knows about) or are just waiting for Spurs training camp. As simple as that.

Agreed I don't buy into the team USA bs. No way does Kawhi's people allow him to go to team USA due to all the scrutiny he will face from media reporters and also to avoid a 1 on 1 situation with Pop.

[TheDoctor]

I think right now...

Not for people living in the 3rd World. NBA time it’s always Eastern Time.

[dabom]

Not for people living in the 3rd World. NBA time it’s always Eastern Time.

I dont know why I thought 2 hours. Guess one.

[Dverde]

Damage control comes before training camp. Not now

[Down Under]

Even if it’s just superficial and not the SuperMax I think SA tenders an offer to Kawhi and forces him to turn it down.

Yeah. Once you see the number $220,000,000.00 you'd have to at least question what you're doing for a second.

[dabom]

Yeah. Once you see the number $220,000,000.00 you'd have to at least question what you're doing for a second.

That's "excuse me so I can throw up in the restroom" money.

[17505]

Just a lurker here, and a Laker fan. Didn't even know this board existed until I saw something posted on LG, so I thought I would take a look. Anyway, these are some of my observations in terms of trying to read the tea leaves:

The Kawhi/Spurs relationship seems irreparable, but the Spurs are going to make a last-ditch effort to tak to him if he shows up to the Team USA camp. If nothing materializes there, the efforts to deal him will ramp up.

Assuming the Spurs can't work it out with him, they have to deal him before training camp. It would be a storm if they brought him into that locker room, with the situation as is. I don't think anyone wants to deal with that.

It makes sense that, as it relates to LA, Kawhi's people prefer him to play for the Clippers, as opposed to the Lakers. If you read the tea leaves, it seemed like the Lakers were heavily pursuing him, and then something changed; you saw the Lakers pull back on what they were offering, not even Ingram or Kuzma by themselves were being offered (let alone both), and the Lakers used up their cap space. The reports of Kawhi's people thinking that he would be in LeBron's shadow on the Lakers, I believe, are true, and that could be why the Lakers pulled back, because they may not think he'll re-up. By the way, I find this interesting if Uncle Dennis thinks this, because he apparently doesn't realize just how much the Clippers are in the Lakers' shadow in LA. I mean, the Lakers sucked for 5 years, the Clippers had CP3 and Blake for most of those 5 years, and in these parts, the Clippers barely were a blip on the radar. If this is about visibility and brand for Kawhi's group, he would get a lot more of that as the 1B on the Lakers instead of it being "his team" on the Clippers. But I digress.

It's interesting to think about just what the Spurs are looking to get in a trade. They aren't getting Brown from the Celtics (or Tatum, obviously). They apparently aren't getting Ingram or Kuzma from the Lakers, who have moved on, I believe. The Spurs love SGA, and I do wonder if something like Harris and SGA and perhaps a future pick could work, especially if the Clippers have the intel that he would re-up with them. I don't know how much interest the Spurs would have in acquiring DeRozan from the Raptors, even if they got Anunoby as well, and I don't even know if the Raptors are willing to give that up for a 1-year rental. I could see the Suns offering Dudley, Chriss, and Josh Jackson, especially since the Suns traded for Mikal Bridges on draft night and also signed Ariza this year. It's also worth noting that their GM, McDonough, is under pressure to win this season or he'll get run, and I know that he's trying to make a splash. However, my belief all along has been that the 76ers make the most sense. Brett Brown and the Spurs obviously have that familiarity, Brown could find himself on the hot seat if they lose early in the playoffs, and I think Philly has a good chance to re-sign him. I'm just not sure if the Spurs can get Fultz from the Sixers. I suppose that if the Clippers offered SGA (next month, since he can't be traded at the moment) or if the Suns offered Jackson, perhaps the Sixers would feel compelled to include him, and if they didn't have to give up any picks, maybe they can stomach it. Something like Fultz, Saric, and Covington. Given the situation the Spurs are in with a disgruntled player on an expiring contract who other teams may think has health questions (though I believe Ramona Shelburne's report that he's now 100%), I think they would do well to get last year's #1 pick, a nice rotation player at worst in Saric (though he will need to get paid after the season), and an all-NBA defender in Covington.

I think he'll be a Sixer by the start of training camp. If the Sixers balk at Fultz and if the Clippers are willing to move SGA next month, that would be my second choice in this derby, if I were betting.

[SixersFan]

I really don’t understand that if it’s at all true that Kawhi would give PHI a chance at re-signing him how they would not bring the house. I mean, I know Kawhi and his agent/family are viewed as toxic and untrustworthy at the moment, but come on PHI.

We're not giving up Fultz. I hope we walk away. He has one year left and is coming off a season he played 9 games. Covington+Saric +picks will be our final offer simply dont have the leverage to be demanding half our team.

[SixersFan]

Simmons is their pg, why the do they need fultz?

Fultz can play SG and w eneed more ball handlers in the starting 5. That's why we drafted him.. Simmons can also slot to the 4.

[DPG21920]

We're not giving up Fultz. I hope we walk away. He has one year left and is coming off a season he played 9 games. Covington+Saric +picks will be our final offer simply dont have the leverage to be demanding half our team.

Bye Sixers fan

[dabom]

Just a lurker here, and a Laker fan. Didn't even know this board existed until I saw something posted on LG, so I thought I would take a look. Anyway, these are some of my observations in terms of trying to read the tea leaves:

The Kawhi/Spurs relationship seems irreparable, but the Spurs are going to make a last-ditch effort to tak to him if he shows up to the Team USA camp. If nothing materializes there, the efforts to deal him will ramp up.

Assuming the Spurs can't work it out with him, they have to deal him before training camp. It would be a storm if they brought him into that locker room, with the situation as is. I don't think anyone wants to deal with that.

It makes sense that, as it relates to LA, Kawhi's people prefer him to play for the Clippers, as opposed to the Lakers. If you read the tea leaves, it seemed like the Lakers were heavily pursuing him, and then something changed; you saw the Lakers pull back on what they were offering, not even Ingram or Kuzma by themselves were being offered (let alone both), and the Lakers used up their cap space. The reports of Kawhi's people thinking that he would be in LeBron's shadow on the Lakers, I believe, are true, and that could be why the Lakers pulled back, because they may not think he'll re-up. By the way, I find this interesting if Uncle Dennis thinks this, because he apparently doesn't realize just how much the Clippers are in the Lakers' shadow in LA. I mean, the Lakers sucked for 5 years, the Clippers had CP3 and Blake for most of those 5 years, and in these parts, the Clippers barely were a blip on the radar. If this is about visibility and brand for Kawhi's group, he would get a lot more of that as the 1B on the Lakers instead of it being "his team" on the Clippers. But I digress.

It's interesting to think about just what the Spurs are looking to get in a trade. They aren't getting Brown from the Celtics (or Tatum, obviously). They apparently aren't getting Ingram or Kuzma from the Lakers, who have moved on, I believe. The Spurs love SGA, and I do wonder if something like Harris and SGA and perhaps a future pick could work, especially if the Clippers have the intel that he would re-up with them. I don't know how much interest the Spurs would have in acquiring DeRozan from the Raptors, even if they got Anunoby as well, and I don't even know if the Raptors are willing to give that up for a 1-year rental. I could see the Suns offering Dudley, Chriss, and Josh Jackson, especially since the Suns traded for Mikal Bridges on draft night and also signed Ariza this year. It's also worth noting that their GM, McDonough, is under pressure to win this season or he'll get run, and I know that he's trying to make a splash. However, my belief all along has been that the 76ers make the most sense. Brett Brown and the Spurs obviously have that familiarity, Brown could find himself on the hot seat if they lose early in the playoffs, and I think Philly has a good chance to re-sign him. I'm just not sure if the Spurs can get Fultz from the Sixers. I suppose that if the Clippers offered SGA (next month, since he can't be traded at the moment) or if the Suns offered Jackson, perhaps the Sixers would feel compelled to include him, and if they didn't have to give up any picks, maybe they can stomach it. Something like Fultz, Saric, and Covington. Given the situation the Spurs are in with a disgruntled player on an expiring contract who other teams may think has health questions (though I believe Ramona Shelburne's report that he's now 100%), I think they would do well to get last year's #1 pick, a nice rotation player at worst in Saric (though he will need to get paid after the season), and an all-NBA defender in Covington.

I think he'll be a Sixer by the start of training camp. If the Sixers balk at Fultz and if the Clippers are willing to move SGA next month, that would be my second choice in this derby, if I were betting.

Sup got.

[SixersFan]

Bye Sixers fan

Did I hurt your feelings with something I said?

[17505]

We're not giving up Fultz. I hope we walk away. He has one year left and is coming off a season he played 9 games. Covington+Saric +picks will be our final offer simply dont have the leverage to be demanding half our team.

Say you were satisfied that he's 100% and that you knew he would re-sign. Would you do Fultz/Saric/Covington, as a Sixer fan? Just curious.

[dabom]

Bye Sixers fan

[SixersFan]

Say you were satisfied that he's 100% and that you knew he would re-sign. Would you do Fultz/Saric/Covington, as a Sixer fan? Just curious.

No i rate Fultz extremely highly. Funny how half this forum doesn't rate Fultz yet want him in deal with us.

[dabom]

Fultz can play SG and w eneed more ball handlers in the starting 5. That's why we drafted him.. Simmons can also slot to the 4.

So 2 players who can't shoot at PG and SG. And Kawhi is a better player than your whole team combined.

Losing to the celtics who got raped by the cavs who got murdered by the warriors.

[bdictjames]

Some people have way too much time on this site tbh

[ElNono]

There's zero reasons for the Spurs to take what they might consider a bad deal right now, they can get that throughout the year. They might gain some leverage over teams that might get desperate or feel that they're that one piece away from contention.

As far as distractions, who cares? Is not that this team is a contender right now, LMA only cares about his touches, and Kawhi is quiet as . The only distraction would be if his advisors tell him not to show up to work, which would make things even worse for him.

[ElNono]

There's zero reasons for the Spurs to take what they might consider a bad deal right now, they can get that throughout the year. They might gain some leverage over teams that might get desperate or feel that they're that one piece away from contention.

As far as distractions, who cares? Is not that this team is a contender right now, LMA only cares about his touches, and Kawhi is quiet as . The only distraction would be if his advisors tell him not to show up to work, which would make things even worse for him.

[Fusternino]

Just a lurker here, and a Laker fan. Didn't even know this board existed until I saw something posted on LG, so I thought I would take a look. Anyway, these are some of my observations in terms of trying to read the tea leaves:

The Kawhi/Spurs relationship seems irreparable, but the Spurs are going to make a last-ditch effort to tak to him if he shows up to the Team USA camp. If nothing materializes there, the efforts to deal him will ramp up.

Assuming the Spurs can't work it out with him, they have to deal him before training camp. It would be a storm if they brought him into that locker room, with the situation as is. I don't think anyone wants to deal with that.

It makes sense that, as it relates to LA, Kawhi's people prefer him to play for the Clippers, as opposed to the Lakers. If you read the tea leaves, it seemed like the Lakers were heavily pursuing him, and then something changed; you saw the Lakers pull back on what they were offering, not even Ingram or Kuzma by themselves were being offered (let alone both), and the Lakers used up their cap space. The reports of Kawhi's people thinking that he would be in LeBron's shadow on the Lakers, I believe, are true, and that could be why the Lakers pulled back, because they may not think he'll re-up. By the way, I find this interesting if Uncle Dennis thinks this, because he apparently doesn't realize just how much the Clippers are in the Lakers' shadow in LA. I mean, the Lakers sucked for 5 years, the Clippers had CP3 and Blake for most of those 5 years, and in these parts, the Clippers barely were a blip on the radar. If this is about visibility and brand for Kawhi's group, he would get a lot more of that as the 1B on the Lakers instead of it being "his team" on the Clippers. But I digress.

It's interesting to think about just what the Spurs are looking to get in a trade. They aren't getting Brown from the Celtics (or Tatum, obviously). They apparently aren't getting Ingram or Kuzma from the Lakers, who have moved on, I believe. The Spurs love SGA, and I do wonder if something like Harris and SGA and perhaps a future pick could work, especially if the Clippers have the intel that he would re-up with them. I don't know how much interest the Spurs would have in acquiring DeRozan from the Raptors, even if they got Anunoby as well, and I don't even know if the Raptors are willing to give that up for a 1-year rental. I could see the Suns offering Dudley, Chriss, and Josh Jackson, especially since the Suns traded for Mikal Bridges on draft night and also signed Ariza this year. It's also worth noting that their GM, McDonough, is under pressure to win this season or he'll get run, and I know that he's trying to make a splash. However, my belief all along has been that the 76ers make the most sense. Brett Brown and the Spurs obviously have that familiarity, Brown could find himself on the hot seat if they lose early in the playoffs, and I think Philly has a good chance to re-sign him. I'm just not sure if the Spurs can get Fultz from the Sixers. I suppose that if the Clippers offered SGA (next month, since he can't be traded at the moment) or if the Suns offered Jackson, perhaps the Sixers would feel compelled to include him, and if they didn't have to give up any picks, maybe they can stomach it. Something like Fultz, Saric, and Covington. Given the situation the Spurs are in with a disgruntled player on an expiring contract who other teams may think has health questions (though I believe Ramona Shelburne's report that he's now 100%), I think they would do well to get last year's #1 pick, a nice rotation player at worst in Saric (though he will need to get paid after the season), and an all-NBA defender in Covington.

I think he'll be a Sixer by the start of training camp. If the Sixers balk at Fultz and if the Clippers are willing to move SGA next month, that would be my second choice in this derby, if I were betting.

I don't think the Lakers have given up on Kawhi in general. That's why when all the cap space was used up, it was on one year deals. But Lakers definitely don't plan to make a serious offer for the rest of the season. They're over the cap and would need to use KCP, Rondo, or Deng to match salaries. They do plan to make a move in FA.

I also don't think Spurs can get a lot out of Philly. While the uncle is from near Philly and it's a big market, Cris Carter has destroyed Kawhi's trade value with the demand of only going to LA. Philly is also over the cap and needs to match salaries. Covington/Saric isn't enough salary. Honestly, I'm not even sure Spurs are interested in Fultz. Chandler can be used to match salary (as can Fultz). Maybe Spurs take Covington/Saric/Fultz and then move Fultz elsewhere. 76ers are also the team most likely to accept Patty Mills in a salary dump. They're a better option than the LakeShow but it really looks like a no go for now. I can see Brett Brown leaking info though to help out Pop. Spurs would also be interested in Zhaire Smith and picks.

As far as WC teams that are delusional or desperate . . . I do consider the Suns and Kings in this category, although more so the Kings. Before the draft, I could've seen Kawhi for the #2 pick and Bogdanovic. Neither of these teams seem likely right now, though.

Celtics are simply not a viable option. Honestly, if I were them I'd stay put and see what happens with Kyrie and Gordon back and internal improvements from the young core.

As far as desperate EC teams I put Toronto and the Heat in this category. The Hornets would've been until Tony went there. MJ is a terrible owner and maybe he thinks Kawhi would re-sign if a shoe deal was offered on the side which is possibly nearly against the CBA rules. I could see the same situation with Kawhi going to the Bulls but less so. Toronto and Miami would basically be looking at soft salary dumps. Toronto is probably planning to blow it all up pretty soon anyways so why not take a shot? Toronto is a big market (although I doubt Kawhi's team's ability to utilize that) and if a championship is won then who knows? I don't want DeRozan on our team because he is terrible at the 3-ball. Riley is a great guy . . . if anyone can convince Kawhi to stay, it'd be him. And if Kawhi leaves either of those places, then at least they clear salary. Those teams have awful cap situations.

I agree though that we need to deal with the Clippers. West was offering Tobias/12/13/"additional players" on draft night. I would have immediately used the additional picks to get Miles Bridges and Mitc Robinson. Tobias is a good replacement for Kawhi and I would've also asked for a Harrell S&T and the Clippers 2021 first round pick.

But a lot of people tell me I'm delusional for that, oh well. I'd still like to deal with the Clippers but the return is probably going to be less optimal or a third team will need to get involved. I like Tobias/Harrell/Jerome Robinson. But we already have at least 8 guards on this team. Really the only mistake we made this offseason was re-signing Forbes over our Anderson who was our point forward.

[Ron Swanson]

It's after 12:00 on the east coast. The only Woj bomb happening is if he got a hold of some bad Tex-Mex tonight.

[dabom]

It's after 12:00 on the east coast. The only Woj bomb happening is if he got a hold of some bad Tex-Mex tonight.

Shut it down guys. It ain't happening tonight...

[SixersFan]

So 2 players who can't shoot at PG and SG. And Kawhi is a better player than your whole team combined.

Losing to the celtics who got raped by the cavs who got murdered by the warriors.

Fultz was a good shooter at UW, he apparently fixed his shot its not similar to Ben who has awful mechanics Markelle seemingly got the yips and changed form.

[Fusternino]

Fultz was a good shooter at UW, he apparently fixed his shot its not similar to Ben who has awful mechanics Markelle seemingly got the yips and changed form.

What if we sent you back Murray-would you consider including Fultz then? I'm not interested in that BTW but am curious.

[K...]

Shut it down guys. It ain't happening tonight...

You better stay up for a few more hours just in case