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    The team was winning games any time Leonard was on the court.
    Doesn't support your point IMO.

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    Kyle was asked to create, be a corner shooter, cutter, and mark the best wings, while being the backup sf/pf and starting sf/pf. If anything, he didn't have a clear role to be consistent. A lot has to do with the injuries last season. Kyle and Patty were asked to do things they probably shouldn't be doing.

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    Also at Kyle not flourishing because he's barely gotten PT relative to others.

    For once, it wasn't because Pop was being stubborn. This time it was because Kyle Fathead No Balls To Shoot Anderson ing sucks and always took a step back just when you thought he was making strides. He had his minutes taken from others because he either wasn't good, or playing aggresively. It's his fault and no one else's.

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    ^still doesn't prove your opinion. There were negative pairings with Leonard in that time frame still. Kyle wasn't one. Still it was limited opportunities as I said. And the point is moot bc it cannot be decided on the future anyways.

    As for ernest787. Am I bothering you?

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    Kyle was asked to create, be a corner shooter, cutter, and mark the best wings, while being the backup sf/pf and starting sf/pf. If anything, he didn't have a clear role to be consistent. A lot has to do with the injuries last season. Kyle and Patty were asked to do things they probably shouldn't be doing.
    So, basically - after finally recieving his golden opportunity as a pass first forward and "versatile" offensive player - he couldn't remain consistent at anything and, after 4 years, still refused to shoot the ball? Yeah. He sucks.

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    Kyle was asked to create, be a corner shooter, cutter, and mark the best wings, while being the backup sf/pf and starting sf/pf. If anything, he didn't have a clear role to be consistent. A lot has to do with the injuries last season. Kyle and Patty were asked to do things they probably shouldn't be doing.
    True. Absolutely true.

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    Disagree. I don't think we saw enough of that enough to be strongly opinionated anyways. Kyle barely played rotation minutes 2 years ago and last season Kawhi was injured. They may have had more opportunities 3 seasons ago, when it was barely Kyle's second season in the league and the first time he really got playing time and he was still in the bench most of his minutes and struggling to be consistent but in terms of his prior playing time his second season, it was limited. I don't think you can harbor a strong opinion on it either way bc limited samples and opportunities. It's moot anyways.

    Edit: I just checked in basketball reference and Kawhi/Kyle together were a positive for the team since 2015-16. It's obviously limited samples each year that register between 250-300 minutes tops and last season barely 44 minutes but in limited samples the indication is to the contrary. The team was winning games when they shared the court most of the time.
    How many players paired up with Kawhi were not a positive? How did Kawhi and Kyle together compare to other positive combinations? That is what matters. "The team was winning games when they shared the court most of the time" means nothing since the Spurs were winning games most of the time period.

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    ^still doesn't prove your opinion. There were negative pairings with Leonard in that time frame still. Kyle wasn't one. Still it was limited opportunities as I said. And the point is moot bc it cannot be decided on the future anyways.

    As for ernest787. Am I bothering you?
    Kyle is not a good fit on this team, nor is he a good offensive player. Period. This team won despite having his worthless ass on the roster.

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    So, basically - after finally recieving his golden opportunity as a pass first forward and "versatile" offensive player - he couldn't remain consistent at anything and, after 4 years, still refused to shoot the ball? Yeah. He sucks.
    He was fine last season. Is he a go-to offensive player that's going to replace an MVP in Kawhi? No. But there's very few guys that can give you that and unfortunately some like Derozan can give you scoring but not everything else that makes Kawhi an MVP if he's healthy. Is Dante Cunningham going to give you this things? Nope.

    The team is screwed it Kawhi gets traded which is why they don't want to trade him.It's pretty simple.

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    How many players paired up with Kawhi were not a positive? How did Kawhi and Kyle together compare to other positive combinations? That is what matters. "The team was winning games when they shared the court most of the time" means nothing since the Spurs were winning games most of the time period.
    There were some. You can look it up in basketball reference. Some were not as big a positive as one would have thought either.

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    Kyle is not a good fit on this team, nor is he a good offensive player. Period. This team won despite having his worthless ass on the roster.

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    He was fine last season. Is he a go-to offensive player that's going to replace an MVP in Kawhi? No. But there's very few guys that can give you that and unfortunately some like Derozan can give you scoring but not everything else that makes Kawhi an MVP if he's healthy. Is Dante Cunningham going to give you this things? Nope.

    The team is screwed it Kawhi gets traded which is why they don't want to trade him.It's pretty simple.
    Yeah, but there are plenty of players that at least have the balls to shot the rock. Kyle isn't one of them, unfortunately.

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    Yeah, but there are plenty of players that at least have the balls to shot the rock. Kyle isn't one of them, unfortunately.
    Your dislike for him is noted Tim. Hopefully you don't have to watch 2000 minutes of Dante in his place next season...

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    So, basically - after finally recieving his golden opportunity as a pass first forward and "versatile" offensive player - he couldn't remain consistent at anything and, after 4 years, still refused to shoot the ball? Yeah. He sucks.
    I am happy to concede that his a poor to average shooter. I felt that his shooting will get better as his career progresses as he does not require athleticism to get a shot off. If he could shoot at above average, he would have been offered far more and become one of the better 3&D guys out there. Last season the team lacked serious amounts of shooting. Green regressed to an above shooter. Danny's minutes dropped ever so slightly despite having a huge gap in wing minutes available since Leonard wasn't on the court. Hence why Forbes took minutes from players that deserved more. There is a reason why Patty played 33mins per game in the Playoffs. Spurs needed scorers. Guys like Kyle benefit when around them they have good scorers because he never has to have his number called to produce positiveness on the court.

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    Your dislike for him is noted Tim. Hopefully you don't have to watch 2000 minutes of Dante in his place next season...
    At least there won't be anyone telling us that Dante doesn't suck. Best part of it is that we only have to deal with his suckage for one season instead of four.

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    If Kyle were any good he'd still be a Spur, it's that simple.

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    I am happy to concede that his a poor to average shooter. I felt that his shooting will get better as his career progresses as he does not require athleticism to get a shot off. If he could shoot at above average, he would have been offered far more and become one of the better 3&D guys out there. Last season the team lacked serious amounts of shooting. Green regressed to an above shooter. Danny's minutes dropped ever so slightly despite having a huge gap in wing minutes available since Leonard wasn't on the court. Hence why Forbes took minutes from players that deserved more. There is a reason why Patty played 33mins per game in the Playoffs. Spurs needed scorers. Guys like Kyle benefit when around them they have good scorers because he never has to have his number called to produce positiveness on the court.
    That's fine. He's a niche player, but let's not pretend that he isn't a below average talent.

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    That's fine. He's a niche player, but let's not pretend that he isn't a below average talent.
    He is a good defender. That already makes him above the average talent. Above average talent gets you the full MLE. Which he got.

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    If Kyle were any good he'd still be a Spur, it's that simple.
    This. The Spurs obviously loved Fathead too. You have to be really ing and about to be overpaid for the Spurs to open the door for you and let you go.

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    There were some. You can look it up in basketball reference. Some were not as big a positive as one would have thought either.
    No thanks. Since you used that for your argument, I think you should be the one to provide that information to add credence to your argument given the inherent flaw of what you said without comparisons.

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    He is a good defender. That already makes him above the average talent. Above average talent gets you the full MLE. Which he got.
    Getting a steal here and there after getting blown by isn't being a great defender. He played angles well but he couldn't stop anyone. Also, let's not talk about the contract he got because we can go on all day about players who recieved way more than they deserved. A big contract is not indicative of talent in every case.

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    Getting a steal here and there after getting blown by isn't being a great defender. He played angles well but he couldn't stop anyone. Also, let's not talk about the contract he got because we can go on all day about players who recieved way more than they deserved. A big contract is not indicative of talent in every case.
    Naw, Anderson didn't get blown by and he was a good one on one defender. That's why he got signed to a big contract. He's not an elite talent, but he's a good NBA player that can be a starter or a key guy off the bench for a good team. Offensively, yes, he's challenged and that's why no one guards him outside the three point line. If he could shoot 3s at a 40% clip, the Spurs would have gladly matched. He's better than what we have on the roster at SF outside of Kawhi, but his price tag was too high, so now we have what we have. He wasn't going to be the difference between 50 wins or not, but he could make a difference in a series in the playoffs depending on who we play.

    Plus, he's still developing. He could be a 40% shooter in two years. Spurs just didn't want to take that risk at his price tag.

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    Did he really just say Anderson never got blown by?

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    Naw, Anderson didn't get blown by and he was a good one on one defender. That's why he got signed to a big contract. He's not an elite talent, but he's a good NBA player that can be a starter or a key guy off the bench for a good team. Offensively, yes, he's challenged and that's why no one guards him outside the three point line. If he could shoot 3s at a 40% clip, the Spurs would have gladly matched. He's better than what we have on the roster at SF outside of Kawhi, but his price tag was too high, so now we have what we have. He wasn't going to be the difference between 50 wins or not, but he could make a difference in a series in the playoffs depending on who we play.

    Plus, he's still developing. He could be a 40% shooter in two years. Spurs just didn't want to take that risk at his price tag.
    What team would he make a difference in a series against?

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    Fathead never got blown by and is a great one on one defender? Jesus Christ.

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