Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[exstatic]

When’s the earliest Kawhi can be flipped? It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Raptors trade him to LA asap.

Magic screwed himself. All those guys on one year contracts can’t be traded without their consent, and who would consent to leave LA to go to a crash and burn in TOR? The only other salary they have is Deng, and TOR isn’t taking that two year albatross. TOR is one of the few deals you could Connie up where there is almost no chance of a flip to LA.

[DPG21920]

Yes. Next year they are better but if he leaves, very real risk, they have to blow it up. Which for the Raptors I think they are fine with. Trade makes sense for both parties. It's about whether they can sell that to the Raptors owners and fans. If Kawhi leaves they see this as a clear loss when in reality it was a rebuild with a shot at Kawhi.

I see what you are saying and agree. This trade means TOR is willing to blow it up no matter what unless they can convince Kawhi to stay.

[marinoman]

DeRozans nickname by Toronto fans is DeKobe, so who knows maybe if he comes here he can have a bigman carry him to championships too

[RD2191]

I see what you are saying and agree. This trade means TOR is willing to blow it up no matter what unless they can convince Kawhi to stay.

What choice do they have tbh? Boston and Philly are the teams of the East for the foreseeable future.

[RD2191]

Lowry and DD are a failed experiment. They'll never be good enough to win it all.

[NASpurs]

Jason McIntyre: Spurs would be ‘absolutely crazy’ to trade Kawhi to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan


https://www.foxsports.com/watch/spea.../1279620163598

Who's this sniveling got and why do I want to punch him on the face so bad? He has one of those faces.

[RsxPiimp]

DeRozans nickname by Toronto fans is DeKobe, so who knows maybe if he comes here he can have a bigman carry him to championships too

some people call demar costco kobe i thought that’s hilarious

[DPG21920]

What will be interesting with the Lakers not trading for Kawhi is the list of free agents on paper may not be as big once time gets there:

KD/Klay are free agents but will they get there? I don’t know. Possible and if they land KD then all is forgiven.

Kyrie, but no way he joins Bron.

Butler: Definiely possible but he’s not guaranteed to go to LA.

So LA will have money but there is a lot of risk spurning Kawhi just like there was with PG. Probably more since Kawhi is a legit star, wanted LA and LA didn’t come get him when things were toxic. I can truly see Kawhi being pissed off.

Also, the upside of LAs youth also has a downside: What if they aren’t as good as people think? Their trade value goes down. You only have cap space for one more star since you have them on the books, where if you traded them for Kawhi, you get a definite star now and cap space for another star too.

There is upside and risk in LA’s plan which is crazy when you have Lebron and another top 3 player in Kawhi wanting to go there and the assets to get it done.

[FireMicoHalili]

DeRozans nickname by Toronto fans is DeKobe, so who knows maybe if he comes here he can have a bigman carry him to championships too

If there’s one thing Kobe loves it’s having great big men who can actually carry the team so he can chuck up jumpers smh Magic has the same amount of championships and one FMVP more than Kobe does but Kobe keeps gloating about his five. Never seen Duncan do that either.

[DPG21920]

What choice do they have tbh? Boston and Philly are the teams of the East for the foreseeable future.

For sure, I’m saying I get what he was saying. People were laughing at him saying TOR is blowing it up, but even with Kawhi that is what they are doing most likely. Its just a high upside blowing of a team up where there is a chance they wont have to do that if the miracle happens.

[RsxPiimp]

Theoretically if the Lakers have another losing season whom do you think gets blamed?

magics t cells

[17505]

What? We trashed Kawhi for the off court stuff. The on court stuff even if we hate him is lauded. La wouldn’t have the off court stuff becaue he wants to be there.

And yes, La can get an all-star besides Kawhi (we assume), but there is no one better than Kawhi and LA would be worse with PG, Butler, Klay vs Kawhi

I don't think you can just assume that all the off-the-court stuff goes away just because he leaves San Antonio. Teams have very real concerns about him off-the-court. I don't actually think he's a bad guy, but he's easily manipulated (draw your own conclusions), and the stuff going on with his uncle is a big problem. Teams just don't know what to expect. On that latest Ben Golliver "Open Floor" podcast, he talks about it.

I agree that a healthy Kawhi is better than those players you listed. But perhaps there's a case to be made that the Lakers are better off keeping all of the young players and then adding a different All-Star, as opposed to giving up 1 or more of the young players and then getting Kawhi. Particularly when you take the off-the-court baggage into consideration.

[venitian navigator]

I don't see a trade with Toronto with DDR included...and let's be real: without Kiwhi, and LMA in his best season, our outcome has been barely joining the play offs. So I don't see next season without Kiwhi a chance to be contenders again. DDR doesn't change the equation.
The point is that for Toronto having back their veteran's core + Kiwhi means be back in contention for eastern conference le and, without LBJ in the east, a possible nba finals.
Considering the rosters, Toronto is loaded on the front court, and we lack bigs.
Considering the season, both their main priced bigs, alias Ibaka and Valenciunas, dodn't have a great season to the point that Nogueira, now out of then team, played for them a lot of games. The formes have been linked to us many times (also if Ibaka is probably in free fall as a player) while I think Toronto has not given up on re-signing Nogueira.
More to it is that they have been full of young front court players we could like: OG, Poeltl, Siakam are the names I see as palatable.
The trade I see as possible is Valenciunas+Og+ Poeltl/Siakam+ 2 1st round picks for Kiwhi and Paul

[NASpurs]

Spurstalk keeps going in and out. We need a temp base of operations here.

Kori said they're doing something with the servers. What if some goes down (like a trade) and I have to start downvoting vanillas on reddit?

[spurraider21]

Spurstalk keeps going in and out. We need a temp base of operations here.

Kori said they're doing something with the servers. What if some goes down (like a trade) and I have to start downvoting vanillas on reddit?

Splits set up spurstalk.net

[Spurs9]

[Holden_Caulfield]

Is this a done deal, tbh?

[NASpurs]

Splits set up spurstalk.net

Dead site, it's not even registered anymore.

[Mr. Body]

This is just so ridiculous and I don't even know why I bother to respond to you. Kobe was done the moment he snapped his Achilles. He was still great right up until that very moment. He didn't have it after that, was never the same. LeBron is still the best player in the game as we speak right now. Will he decline? Eventually, of course. But he isn't coming off of a devastating injury when the Lakers signed him, last time I checked.

LeBron isn't getting better. He's going downhill. You signed him to a four year deal with a team that's not very good. Sure, you have a max slot, so you best use it well. Otherwise you're treading water as a bottom-of-the-bracket playoff team. When James ain't all that two years from now, then what?

[SpursDynasty85]

I don't think you can just assume that all the off-the-court stuff goes away just because he leaves San Antonio. Teams have very real concerns about him off-the-court. I don't actually think he's a bad guy, but he's easily manipulated (draw your own conclusions), and the stuff going on with his uncle is a big problem. Teams just don't know what to expect. On that latest Ben Golliver "Open Floor" podcast, he talks about it.

I agree that a healthy Kawhi is better than those players you listed. But perhaps there's a case to be made that the Lakers are better off keeping all of the young players and then adding a different All-Star, as opposed to giving up 1 or more of the young players and then getting Kawhi. Particularly when you take the off-the-court baggage into consideration.

I am totally with you. All the major teams that are mentioned Philly, Boston, even LALakers were not in a rush and can play the long game. I like Lakers young players and they were sure to improve with or without Lebron. Losing Randle sucks, but gaining Lebron is big. If Lebron truly does play unselfish (I argue he has been very selfish, especially this past year) they can compete against everyone but the Warriors and probably the Celtics.

[RD2191]

Spurstalk keeps going in and out. We need a temp base of operations here.

Kori said they're doing something with the servers. What if some goes down (like a trade) and I have to start downvoting vanillas on reddit?

Lmao. We'd all get banned within minutes.

[dubross]

I don't see a trade with Toronto with DDR included...and let's be real: without Kiwhi, and LMA in his best season, our outcome has been barely joining the play offs. So I don't see next season without Kiwhi a chance to be contenders again. DDR doesn't change the equation.
The point is that for Toronto having back their veteran's core + Kiwhi means be back in contention for eastern conference le and, without LBJ in the east, a possible nba finals.
Considering the rosters, Toronto is loaded on the front court, and we lack bigs.
Considering the season, both their main priced bigs, alias Ibaka and Valenciunas, dodn't have a great season to the point that Nogueira, now out of then team, played for them a lot of games. The formes have been linked to us many times (also if Ibaka is probably in free fall as a player) while I think Toronto has not given up on re-signing Nogueira.
More to it is that they have been full of young front court players we could like: OG, Poeltl, Siakam are the names I see as palatable.
The trade I see as possible is Valenciunas+Og+ Poeltl/Siakam+ 2 1st round picks for Kiwhi and Paul

If Valencuinous is the center piece and not Derozan then this would be a worse trade. In today’s NBA he isn’t as valuable. Might as well throw a filler at Okafor and see what he can do and he is much cheaper

[Mr. Body]

I am totally with you. All the major teams that are mentioned Philly, Boston, even LALakers were not in a rush and can play the long game. I like Lakers young players and they were sure to improve with or without Lebron. Losing Randle sucks, but gaining Lebron is big. If Lebron truly does play unselfish (I argue he has been very selfish, especially this past year) they can compete against everyone but the Warriors and probably the Celtics.

A team like Utah would eat the Lakers for breakfast.

[dabom]

I got us with Spurstalk.gov

[lmbebo]

I got us with Spurstalk.gov

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