Thoughts on Spurs Trading Danny Green For DeMar DeRozan and Jakob Poeltl

[Slippy]

Great post. Most Spurfan here is delusional. Nobody wanted to offer anything. You hope PATFO can pull a trick out of the hat without a hat. We were gonna get waxed no matter what. Duh. Top 3 player doesn't yield equal value ever. The next best offer was a paltry Saric, Covington and pick. LMAO..Just be glad this is over and we can move on. All NBA player and 4 time All Star is better than Saric and Cvington.

We won 47 games last year and were a couple games out of third in the West. Demar while no playoff monster led his team to first in the East. I think it's safe to say we'll be hovering around 60 wins and top 3 in the West. Houston is weaker and are planning on adding Carmelo lol. We have an outside shot at second. Really feel we are gonna do really well in the season but the playoffs may be a disaster. We'll see if the culture and Pop have any affect on Demar. This is all based on if we are healthy. There is a lot of upside with this team tho depending on what Murray can do and if White can be what we think he can be. Also have a reliable shooter like Marco should help. I think the problem with the shooters was that the missing was contagious. Danny while good on d, hasn't had his stroke in like 3 years. Just need one knock down shooter to release the pressure valve. Good shooting is contagious.

Pretty much my thoughts. Gotta add we got guys in Derozan & Walker who can breakdown defenses from the perimeter. An aspect of their offense thats been sorely missing from the spurs of last season.

Also , Ultimately the locker room will be back to harmony & the lakers will continue to suck. Spurs are back people.

[NameLess Scrub]

In a way, Kawhi forcing the Spurs to trade him for 2 kit Kats and a Dr pepper helps him basketball wise. His new team wasn't ripped so he can have a chance to get to the finals.

If they get MVP Kawhi, they might just reach the finals and have a lucky chance to beat the warriors if all cir stances fall in place like 2016.

So for all that will just jump to the raptors bandwagon (and forum), you now have a reason to be excited and to motivate raptors fans upset about this trade, even if only for next season.

[ceperez]

If Kawhi is healthy and balls out, man, SA will have gotten fleeced. I understand context, but I am truly shocked that TOR was able to not even give up a legit first rounder in a deal. Shocked. There was obviously a level of panic in this deal and ONLY if Kawhi is a s of himself is that panic justified.

(1) Kawhi comes packaged with an uncle Dennis.
(2) TOR had an opportunity here for a salary dump. They did so and even if Leonard stays for just a year, then they are good.
(3) TOR can always trade Kawhi back to an LA team and get something.
(4) Spurs got a 28 year old all star and a lottery pick center.
(5) TOR have a good chance of getting to the finals with LBJ out off the east.

Looks like a decent deal for both teams. If anything, Spurs got the worse deal by losing Green. They may have no choice because the Spurs always like to have players learn the system from the beginning of the year rather than come in the middle of the year.

Biggest loser, Leonard... no supermax.... moved to Country with higher tax bracket.

[NameLess Scrub]

Pretty much my thoughts. Gotta add we got guys in Derozan & Walker who can breakdown defenses from the perimeter. An aspect of their offense thats been sorely missing from the spurs of last season.

Also , Ultimately the locker room will be back to harmony & the lakers will continue to suck. Spurs are back people.

Lakers will sweep the Spurs at the first chance. Spurs might win 1, but only because we didn't get Lowry.

[L.I.T]

1. Kawhi has a serious degenerative leg injury that limited him to 9 games.
2. Kawhi had a serious leg injury and held himself out of an unknown amount of games after repeatedly lying to his teammates and front office about his return.

Even excluding Kawhi’s efforts to undermine and torpedo his trade value in an amateurish attempt to pressure the Spurs into trading him to the Lakers (even floating he won’t report to Toronto this week), those two scenarios are enough to depress his trade value tremendously. Spurs got hosed in a trade for 2016 Kawhi. They salvaged something decent for 2018 Kawhi.

[Marcus Bryant]

1. Kawhi has a serious degenerative leg injury that limited him to 9 games.
2. Kawhi had a serious leg injury and held himself out of an unknown amount of games after repeatedly lying to his teammates and front office about his return.

Even excluding Kawhi’s efforts to undermine and torpedo his trade value in an amateurish attempt to pressure the Spurs into trading him to the Lakers (even floating he won’t report to Toronto this week), those two scenarios are enough to depress his trade value tremendously. Spurs got hosed in a trade for 2016 Kawhi. They salvaged something decent for 2018 Kawhi.

Yeah, there's something more here. A scenario that the injury is worse than let on, or career limiting in some way does not seem far-fetched. Keep in mind that Philly had really good intel on his health and they were offering nothing.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

1. Kawhi has a serious degenerative leg injury that limited him to 9 games.
2. Kawhi had a serious leg injury and held himself out of an unknown amount of games after repeatedly lying to his teammates and front office about his return.

Even excluding Kawhi’s efforts to undermine and torpedo his trade value in an amateurish attempt to pressure the Spurs into trading him to the Lakers (even floating he won’t report to Toronto this week), those two scenarios are enough to depress his trade value tremendously. Spurs got hosed in a trade for 2016 Kawhi. They salvaged something decent for 2018 Kawhi.

Have to view trade through this lense. I think most feel scenario #2 is true, but regardless you are either getting a guy who will probably have future injury issues or a guy with serious baggage who quit on his teammates who fought despite all the drama to get into the playoffs

[ceperez]

Yeah, there's something more here. A scenario that the injury is worse than let on, or career limiting in some way does not seem far-fetched. Keep in mind that Philly had really good intel on his health and they were offering nothing.

Well, hard to tell about Philly considering that they are headless without a GM.

Honestly, the big problem is Uncle Dennis. What player does not back his team up when they get to the playoffs?

[DPG21920]

Yeah, there's something more here. A scenario that the injury is worse than let on, or career limiting in some way does not seem far-fetched. Keep in mind that Philly had really good intel on his health and they were offering nothing.

Then why wouldn’t Kawhi have acted in his own best interest and get as much from SA as he could?

[Marcus Bryant]

Then why wouldn’t Kawhi have acted in his own best interest and get as much from SA as he could?

SA knew too much.

[Slippy]

Lakers will sweep the Spurs at the first chance. Spurs might win 1, but only because we didn't get Lowry.

Reckon you selling the spurs team short here. There will be no disruptions this coming season so i like our chances of playing better

[DPG21920]

Unreal fleecing by TOR. No OG. No Siakem. Terrible pick. Have to include Danny. And send them money ? What?

[Ron Swanson]

Yikes. $5M on top of that? Oh well.

[spursistan]

Yeah, there's something more here. A scenario that the injury is worse than let on, or career limiting in some way does not seem far-fetched. Keep in mind that Philly had really good intel on his health and they were offering nothing.

Good point. Something just doesn't add up..

Really Philly? you got beat by Boston in 5 games without its 2 best players and you're still going to pass on a Top 5 player because of Markelle in' Fultz?

[loveforthegame]

JFC. Had to send them money too?

[Marcus Bryant]

Good point. Something just doesn't add up..

Really Philly? you got beat by Boston in 5 games without its 2 best players and you're still going to pass on a Top 5 player because of Markelle in' Fultz?

Yep. Even a 1 yr rental could put them in the Finals and of course people change their mind all the time. If Paul George can learn to love OKC... Anyways, in time the truth will come out and this sordid tale will make sense.

[barbacoataco]

Is DeRozan really that worthless?
Why do people act like some mid level 1st round pick would have been better? Unless you're getting a top 3 pick most of those guys don't even go on to be effective players.

The Spurs don't want to go the route if intentionally sucking for a few years hoping to land a lottery pick. That doesn't work most of the time and your fans leave in the meantime.

Go Spurs. Leonard will be cold in Canada in the winter.

[Slippy]

Have to view trade through this lense. I think most feel scenario #2 is true, but regardless you are either getting a guy who will probably have future injury issues or a guy with serious baggage who quit on his teammates who fought despite all the drama to get into the playoffs

100percent correct. Thats after making to the WCs the previous season. Who in their right mind does that. Spurs wanted out, they wanted no part of Kawhis group tactics for another seasons. He & his group were toxic.

Like someon else just posted. The spurs got the best deal, raptors go their deal & kawhi didnt.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

i used to wait for classic timvp takes after games a very long time ago - good to see one of these from time to time again

[ceperez]

100percent correct. Thats after making to the WCs the previous season. Who in their right mind does that. Spurs wanted out, they wanted no part of Kawhis group tactics for another seasons. He & his group were toxic.

Like someon else just posted. The spurs got the best deal, raptors go their deal & kawhi didnt.

Exactly. Spurs got an all star. Raptors got a salary dump. Kawhi and group lost $81million, not including paying more taxes.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm still waiting to here about all these great deals the Spurs were offered that they passed on.

[spursistan]

Lowe and Arnovitz in their podcast from today are liking the trade for the Raptors while conceding, on the coolest of cool, that the Spurs got hammered. Can't argue with that, tbh..

[tholdren]

Hated him post-contract, but god damn, in a league where PJ Tucker and Bojan Bogdanovic net you first round picks.... you use him as filler in a trade?!?!

Just when you thought RC couldn't get any dumber.

What did green do? Thats right, he got a couple of highlight blocks for fans. Couldnt pass couldnt dribble, was the last option of any scoring threat...... worse than allen

[024]

Pretty sure Sixers or Clippers could have put together a better package. I'm really surprised the Clippers did not offer anything better, especially since Leonard could easily stay there. This was just one giant you to Leonard and the Lakers so I can't be too mad. Plus, you can't blame Pop for not wanting to rebuild during his final years. Let him coach and have a few more playoff runs.

Only thing that I'm truly mad about is not including Gasol or Patty for some cap relief and shipping out a good wing defender and mediocre/decent 3pt shooter that could have gone well next to DeRozan.

[spursistan]

If Kawhi is healthy and balls out, man, SA will have gotten fleeced. I understand context, but I am truly shocked that TOR was able to not even give up a legit first rounder in a deal. Shocked.There was obviously a level of panic in this deal and ONLY if Kawhi is a s of himself is that panic justified.

I'm starting to feel like there is something legit there-- corroborated by Philly's puzzling cold feet, especially since we know they share similar intel regarding his health.