Shams: Spurs & Toronto Engaged in Serious Trade Talks Centered Around Kawhi & DeRozan

[Mugen]

I don't think there's anything new coming out like Kawhi's injury is super serious or something...

RC got taken to the woodshed because he doesn't really have any experience in trading a guy of Kawhi's caliber. Him and Masai are close and Masai exploited the relationship to milk him dry, there's no CIA bull around any of this besides what was already out. This was a salary dump of Derozan and Masai played RC to make it seem like the Raptors were taking any sort of risk here...

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I don't think there's anything new coming out like Kawhi's injury is super serious or something...

RC got taken to the woodshed because he doesn't really have any experience in trading a guy of Kawhi's caliber. Him and Masai are close and Masai exploited the relationship to milk him dry, there's no CIA bull around any of this besides what was already out. This was a salary dump of Derozan and Masai played RC to make it seem like the Raptors were taking any sort of risk here...

https://youtu.be/_EfjQZK6Dj8

[Ron Swanson]

She is hot AF.

There are some great pics of her out there on the internet.

[SpursBills]

guys like Masai, Hinkie, Morey, and Ainge are all ruthless as ; they press every advantage, leave emotion at the door, are willing to take big risks, and always try and "win" a trade on paper

I get the feeling that guys like RC don't operate like that; they try and look for win-win trades, don't necessarily press every advantage; he's also just not used to making dramatic shakeups. even if you look at the biggest trade win in the past 20 years, George hill for #15 and Bertans, that was a fair trade on paper for both sides, as even the spurs only envisioned Kawhi developing into a decent 3 and D wing, and it wasn't a huge shakeup since the big 3 were still here

Not surprising that Masai absolutely took RC to the cleaners this deal

[baseline bum]

She is hot AF.

No she was hot AF. That video is like 10 years old. She probably looks like now.

[dbestpro]

But that’s probably why he’s playing Team USA next week, to prove Spurs wrong. You could’ve got me back at Supermax.. hmmm

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

[FkLA]

Y'all are grossly over exaggerating, tbh.

Yes, it was a salary dump but this isn't Mozgov we are talking about. DD is still very valuable and I don't think there wouldve been a shortage of suitors willing to take his contract on. This notion that Masai needed to attach a bunch of high-level assets to dump him, and that RC got fleeced bc he didn't get them, is dumb. The only way it's a fleecing is if Autist stays.

[OldMan88]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

The only SuperMax offer, if made, would have been highly qualified- prove healthy by playing, no “no trade” clause. Also, some posters don’t seem to understand the concept that the money must match or NBA won’t approve trade.

[spursistan]

[Marcus Bryant]

Y'all are grossly over exaggerating, tbh.

Yes, it was a salary dump but this isn't Mozgov we are talking about. DD is still very valuable and I don't think there wouldve been a shortage of suitors willing to take his contract on. This notion that Masai needed to attach a bunch of high-level assets to dump him, and that RC got fleeced bc he didn't get them, is dumb. The only way it's a fleecing is if Autist stays.

So the great alternative the Spurs passed on was...Saric and Covington? Leonard made his value what it was.

[Marcus Bryant]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

Then that's that. The deal has been done and back to basketball.

[ducks]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

unreal

[coachmac87]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

Link?

[Pavlov]

The Spurs got fleeced last season by Kawhi.

Cancer treatments are expensive and painful.

[Marcus Bryant]

But that’s probably why he’s playing Team USA next week, to prove Spurs wrong. You could’ve got me back at Supermax.. hmmm

He's gotta play. His health and playing ability moving forward were significant negatives for his trade value, in addition to the apparent holdout. You can only "rehab" for so long before it's assumed you're done.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs got fleeced last season by Kawhi.

Cancer treatments are expensive and painful.

[Mugen]

What's our cap situation next year assuming we can move off of both Pau and Patty's contracts without getting any salary back? Is that 30mil in room?

[SpursBills]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot

[Marcus Bryant]

The only SuperMax offer, if made, would have been highly qualified- prove healthy by playing, no “no trade” clause. Also, some posters don’t seem to understand the concept that the money must match or NBA won’t approve trade.

He couldn't be traded for a year if he had signed it, but likely the Spurs wouldn't agree to significant terms the group wanted such as a no trade clause or perhaps it wasn't fully guaranteed.

[SAGirl]

Hate all we want but probably it's the best deal we can take. Unfortunately I'm disappointed that it doesn't include OG Anunoby. Deals outside Raptors are probably tier well atleast we got something. Just see what happened with Cavs right now, they weren't able get anything from LeBron.

True. Hopeless and straight to the lottery. Pop did the right thing. He held out for the best deal and recognized it when he saw it. It's not ideal but it wasn't going to be once Kiwi turned away from the Spurs. Pop had a desire to continue being compe ive and it's for the best. If this fails there will always be tanking ... Least resort.

[raybies]

I think the most likely explanation is they got played.

Once they had gone through so much, and had finally gotten near the finish line with the trade and come to terms with everything being finally over, Masai hit them with the cash payment uppercut.

They were so exhausted, so weak, so eager to get the taste of bad nephew out of their mouths, that they couldn't put up a fight.

Masai probably hit them with the offer pull, or pulling the pick, protesting that they couldn't do the deal, and once it got too late in the summer he wasn't going to have his first year coach and first ever coach hire not be able to fully plan for the camp and season.

Spurs gave in like wild animals do when they are about to be eaten after a long chase by an animal they can't possibly escape from. No more struggle, just sad surrender. They are that seal being pulled off the ice by a whale.

Only good thing is that the predator who ate the Spurs for dinner and is crapping them out is the raptors and not the Lakers.

But the Spurs were still eaten and made Raptor feces.

what are you goin on about lol. I was listening to the Bill Simmons Podcast yesterday and they made an astute point about how rare star for star deals are. They happen not very often at all. What did Cleveland get for Kyrie? Jae Crowder, Zizic, IT and Collin Sexton. Other than Sexton, and if he turns out, that is and he had two years on his deal lol. What about Carmelo? What did they get? I don't even remember. Paul George got Oladipo and Sabonis. Luckily they are turning out better than expected but they didn't get a pick. What about Shaq? or Garnett? This doesn't happen often. A lot of teams get the shaft. After Lakers traded Shaq they went to the lottery. Spurs getting a proven star, a young prospect and pick in this market was really good considering all the hoopla and health related issues of Kawhi. The dude might not even be the same. He has a degenerative condition no matter how you slice it. Only gonna get worse. He looked like ass in the 9 games he played. No lift at all. How funny would it be if we actually got the better player.

Pop said he was thrilled and I consider him a genuine guy. If you take his response at face value and that they were happy with the staff with what they got, that should be a tell tell sign that this was the very best compensation they could receive. I find it hard to believe that the Spurs caved in any light. That's not in the nature of our Front Office. I'm sorry. I'm not buying. They are better than that. We went 3 weeks with all the media saying they are holding tight to their demands and are not budging. My belief is that they just took the best deal and minimized the risk. We'll know more at the USA camp.

[Dancelot]

I’m a bit confused about the pick. If it ends up being top 20, we get it? And if it’s not top 20 Toronto gets it and it becomes 2 second round picks in 2019 & 20?

[coachmac87]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot

Lmao..

[Marcus Bryant]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot

That would explain a lot.

[raybies]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot