Shams: Spurs & Toronto Engaged in Serious Trade Talks Centered Around Kawhi & DeRozan

[SAGirl]

Oladipo pre-Pacers was much worse than DeRozan..Current Oladipo is waaaay better, though


Chris Haynes and Woj both reporting that Kawhi is still upset, but will show up to camp and is warming up to the idea of playing on a contending team with Toronto..

If he decides to stay in the East next season.... Lol at Lakers and Clippers. East can be his if he were back to MVP form. I harbor no ill will towards the raptors and really don't care about which team reigns in the East so.. By all means Raptors are fine by me.

[Holden_Caulfield]

We still need another big. Is Costello still in the roster? Metu will probably be a two way player

[Emperor]

I’m a bit confused about the pick. If it ends up being top 20, we get it? And if it’s not top 20 Toronto gets it and it becomes 2 second round picks in 2019 & 20?

I believe we get it if it's 21-29 otherwise it ends up being 2 second round picks.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

I’m a bit confused about the pick. If it ends up being top 20, we get it? And if it’s not top 20 Toronto gets it and it becomes 2 second round picks in 2019 & 20?

We don't get it if it's 1-20, anything after 20 we get and yes to the second part I believe.

[HarlemHeat37]

If he decides to stay in the East next season.... Lol at Lakers and Clippers. East can be his if he were back to MVP form. I harbor no ill will towards the raptors and really don't care about which team reigns in the East so.. By all means Raptors are fine by me.

If Kawhi stays with the Raptors, it'll go down as a historic blunder by the 6ers front office..

[Marcus Bryant]

I believe we get it if it's 21-29 otherwise it ends up being 2 second round picks.

Yes.

[tempest186]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...as-like-u.html

[SAGirl]

Couple tidbits from messaging Co worker back and forth, since this went down. Orlando's Dir of Ops is from Raptor organization and good friends with Ujiri, and other staff. Also new Raptor GM Bobby Webster got his start in Magic organization and still has friends here.... So lots of talking and congrats going out.

Toronto spoke to Kawhi group before finalizing deal and while not a 100% commitment, felt assured that he would show up and play.

Toronto wasn't doing trade without Danny Green (or starting caliber 3&D SG) as part of deal. If Kawhi bought in they wanted potential starting replacement for DDR and if Kawhi chose to be a problem that they could move OG into a starting SF slot, without roster becoming to thin at wing positions. A 3rd team was explored to fill this role (Spurs preferred to keep Green) but were willing to include DG if no viable option found.

Toronto FO is elated because they accomplished every goal they had going into negotiations. They got the best player, secured SG position replacement for DDR, and didn't give up OG. Raptors also wanted to be sure that if Kawhi chooses to try and force trade that they could still be compe ive in 2018-2019 and with getting Green without giving up OG, they felt they checked that box.

Thanks for this revelation. Explains Danny in the deal and the hole Spurs have for a 3 & D themselves.

[polandprzem]

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[SAGirl]

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League's trade memo on Kawhi has been sent to teams. Includes one final tidbit: the Spurs are sending Toronto $5M in cash (almost the maximum they can send for the year) as part of the deal. Meant to cover tax hit linked to Kawhi's trade kicker, but still...

Wow. I am catching up since yesterday and I had not seen this. Heh. Kawhi really screwed the Spurs over.

[SAGirl]

Zach Lowe ZachLowe_NBA
3m
League's trade memo on Kawhi has been sent to teams. Includes one final tidbit: the Spurs are sending Toronto $5M in cash (almost the maximum they can send for the year) as part of the deal. Meant to cover tax hit linked to Kawhi's trade kicker, but still...

Wow. Kawhi screwing the Spurs over.

[Seventyniner]

If Kawhi stays with the Raptors, it'll go down as a historic blunder by the 6ers front office..

Not to mention the Lakers FO.

[spurraider21]

[daslicer]

https://imgur.com/a/BSpXwPk

Have no idea if this is a legitimate source or not (probably not), and this is obviously completely unverified, but man if there were any truth to this it would help explain a lot

I speculated last night with a friend of mine that I believed Magic and Uncle Dennis had been in contact for over a year and planned this out together. One of the dirtiest forms of tampering ever. Ultimately the Spurs were naive when it came to dealing with Kawhi and his uncle. They had the typical at ude of a guy who has grown up in the suburbs that gets taken to the cleaners by a street hustler.

[Marcus Bryant]

I speculated last night with a friend of mine that I believed Magic and Uncle Dennis had been in contact for over a year and planned this out together. One of the dirtiest forms of tampering ever. Ultimately the Spurs were naive when it came to dealing with Kawhi and his uncle. They had the typical at ude of a guy who has grown up in the suburbs that gets taken to the cleaners by a street hustler.

Should they have capped him instead?

[Marcus Bryant]

Also, Magic grew up in a middle class family.

[Marcus Bryant]

A one-way ticket to the Great White North is about a "street" move at this point as any.

[daslicer]

Should they have capped him instead?

I would have been down with it.

[SAGirl]

guys like Masai, Hinkie, Morey, and Ainge are all ruthless as ; they press every advantage, leave emotion at the door, are willing to take big risks, and always try and "win" a trade on paper

I get the feeling that guys like RC don't operate like that; they try and look for win-win trades, don't necessarily press every advantage; he's also just not used to making dramatic shakeups. even if you look at the biggest trade win in the past 20 years, George hill for #15 and Bertans, that was a fair trade on paper for both sides, as even the spurs only envisioned Kawhi developing into a decent 3 and D wing, and it wasn't a huge shakeup since the big 3 were still here

Not surprising that Masai absolutely took RC to the cleaners this deal

RC didn't have an advantage. Him being taken out to the back and shot was a result of exhaustion at this saga and so many other GM already smelling blood ibn the water and circling him like sharks. Masai dangled a good bait and RC bit the bullet.

Perhaps the only real play that PATFO ha had was one they didn't want to take. They could have dealt Kiwi at a point when his value was at its highest if they had an inkling this thing with Uncle would get this ugly. If this is like a bad marriage where you can see the problems early, perhaps they had warning signs. They tried to make it work to the bitter end though and considering the Kind of player Kawhi is when fully healthy and committed he was worth it maybe. Hindsight is always 20/20... But I bet there were points in the year last where they would have gotten much more. Just not this summer, not after Kawhi had depleted his value so much, not after he made it public he only wanted LA, etc. Not after he sat out an entire year with questions about his quad.

[loveforthegame]

During ESPN discussion they said KL was offered SuperMax and turned it down.

Do you a link? I can’t find anything.

[raybies]

one of the funniest vids i've ever seen lol

[r0drig0lac]

Then that's that. The deal has been done and back to basketball.

[LkrFan]

Kiwi should totally do this shiiiiiiiiiiiiit:

It would be a bigass DMC middle finger to CIA Pop!!

[DMC]

Kiwi should totally do this shiiiiiiiiiiiiit:

It would be a bigass DMC middle finger to CIA Pop!!

You do realize the Lakers have to go to Toronto to play right? Jesus you ing be3aners are stupid. Not everyone does everything off the grid.

[TD 21]

If he can play like he did the last couple season, DeRozan enters the conversation somewhere around 12-15, IMO.

You really don't follow the NBA much these days, do you? Off the top . . .

I've got 21 clearly better: Irving, Jokic, Curry, Durant, Green, Harden, Paul, Oladipo, James, Antetokounmpo, Butler, Towns, Davis, George, Westbrook, Embiid, Lillard, Aldridge, Leonard, Lowry, Wall.

And 11 debatably better: Hayward, Horford, Walker, Love, Millsap, Griffin, Thompson, Conley, Simmons, Gobert, Beal.