SF

[Chinook]

Oh wow - didn’t realize that much from the hard cap. That including Beli/Forbes?

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...64747223532428

Forbes is just an estimate by me, as is Milutinov's deferral. But yeah. They still have room to make some moves, though I think they stay under the tax unless they think they can make a le run after another move.

[DPG21920]

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...64747223532428

Forbes is just an estimate by me, as is Milutinov's deferral. But yeah. They still have room to make some moves, though I think they stay under the tax unless they think they can make a le run after another move.

Nice - I’ve messed with the capulator so much not sure how I missed that. So ya, BP is not a lock to be waived at all for financial reasons. Even with Manu and him SA still has a roster spot and if Manu retires they have 2 roster spots.

Sucks that he’s not a legit SF size.

[Chinook]

Nice - I’ve messed with the capulator so much not sure how I missed that. So ya, BP is not a lock to be waived at all for financial reasons. Even with Manu and him SA still has a roster spot and if Manu retires they have 2 roster spots.

Sucks that he’s not a legit SF size.

Forgot to add Cunningham:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...952c7506785212

So it's a bit under $10 Million from the apron and $3.6 Million from the tax. I wouldn't say they have a ton of breathing room, but they have enough to have legit compe ion for a spot or two.

[DPG21920]

Forgot to add Cunningham:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...952c7506785212

So it's a bit under $10 Million from the apron and $3.6 Million from the tax. I wouldn't say they have a ton of breathing room, but they have enough to have legit compe ion for a spot or two.

Nice catch - yeah, that tax line is a little too close for comfort especially with 2 open roster spots at best and 1 at worst. Waiving BP gets SA 5M from that tax line and then Manu could make it further.

My guess: He gets waived no matter what Manu does. He’s just not needed with brining Forbes/DeRozan/Lonnie/White into the fold.

[palangi]

Carroll is still around. I wouldn't exactly call him a three anymore, though. I could see the Nets considering Pau and the Toronto pick for Demarre and a second. Getting out of Gasol's last year would be nice, and there's not a ton of downside in terms of their pick. Even if they get something like the Indy pick (reverse-protected until 2023), they may only give up two potentially worse seconds. Hopefully, it would be the NYK pick.

I wouldn't be completely against a Gasol/Deng swap if LAL compensated SA properly for the savings. Maybe something like Gasol for Deng, the rights to Bonga and their first this year. SA has no need for cap space next summer, and get can keep collecting assets for a rebuild while they still try to contend. Deng may be completely finished, and if he is, then he probably doesn't make sense. But if he can get back to form from before his LAL days, he could fill out the forward depth.

I still like Harris and would have no issue with SAS being aggressive and trying to turn Pau into Harris and another player like Montrezl Harrell (S&T obviously). There's an argument to be made against getting another guy who needs touches inside the arc, but he would add the scoring punch that we are hoping Gay somehow provides going forward. On the cheaper side, the Spurs might be able to trade Manu's deal and some seconds for Sam Dekker. Dude has legit forward size but just hasn't put it together.

Paul Zipser is still a free agent? Another flame-out, but with Poeltl on the roster, I could see SA bringing him in for camp. I see no reason to not burn the Blossomgame card at this point. The team has enough of the MLE to give him a four-year deal, which would take him deep into his physical prime. Had KBD fallen to them (which still hurts), then having him on such a deal would have been amazing. Jaron doesn't seem to have that in him, but you never know what can happen with time. I also think Brandon Paul has a legit chance to sticking around. He should be better in his second season with the club. , he started off really well on both ends before something derailed it. I'm not against giving him another chance. I just wish his guarantee date wasn't until after camp.

Sam dekker would actually be interesting. You would think he could be had.

[monkeypunk]

Am I the only one who thinks DeRozan will start at the 3 alongside Mills and Murray?

Damn, you mean there's a chance Mills starts?

If Mills is starting then the end is truly here.

[Chinook]

Sam dekker would actually be interesting. You would think he could be had.

Dek hasn't come close to fulfilling his hype, not even on a rebuilding LAC last year. I think he could, yes, and cheaply. SA doesn't have cash to send anymore, as they somehow have to pay Toronto to take Leonard. Otherwise, sending Manu's contract along with the cash to cover it may have been enough. As it is, I think they'll have to give up something or actual value, which I'm less of a fan of doing unless LAC can give something back in addition to Dekker.

[Chinook]

Nice catch - yeah, that tax line is a little too close for comfort especially with 2 open roster spots at best and 1 at worst. Waiving BP gets SA 5M from that tax line and then Manu could make it further.

My guess: He gets waived no matter what Manu does. He’s just not needed with brining Forbes/DeRozan/Lonnie/White into the fold.

Cun made 15. There's not an open spot unless Manu retires. I fully expect Manu to get paid if he hangs them up, so it's not like they'll save anything. You're right that Paul has a lot of compe ion already on the roster, and indeed I hope Pop doesn't repeat the events of last year by running three-guard units so much. But Paul's potential skill-set is valuable, especially to the team right now. They will need to replace him with a better version of him if they want to improve the team, and I don't know where they'll find such a player outside of trades.

[Seventyniner]

My guess: He gets waived no matter what Manu does. He’s just not needed with brining Forbes/DeRozan/Lonnie/White into the fold.

Agree. Guard is not the right position for a project player given the rest of the roster. A full-time SF or combo forward, or another big for depth, make more sense.

[palangi]

Dek hasn't come close to fulfilling his hype, not even on a rebuilding LAC last year. I think he could, yes, and cheaply. SA doesn't have cash to send anymore, as they somehow have to pay Toronto to take Leonard. Otherwise, sending Manu's contract along with the cash to cover it may have been enough. As it is, I think they'll have to give up something or actual value, which I'm less of a fan of doing unless LAC can give something back in addition to Dekker.

What are you thinking they would have to give up?

[palangi]

Dek hasn't come close to fulfilling his hype, not even on a rebuilding LAC last year. I think he could, yes, and cheaply. SA doesn't have cash to send anymore, as they somehow have to pay Toronto to take Leonard. Otherwise, sending Manu's contract along with the cash to cover it may have been enough. As it is, I think they'll have to give up something or actual value, which I'm less of a fan of doing unless LAC can give something back in addition to Dekker.

And it's crazy we had to give up money to give away kawhi

[jyra]

Forgot to add Cunningham:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...952c7506785212

So it's a bit under $10 Million from the apron and $3.6 Million from the tax. I wouldn't say they have a ton of breathing room, but they have enough to have legit compe ion for a spot or two.

I'm confused about Cunningham's deal here. Shouldn't he be a 9 year vet?

[Chinook]

What are you thinking they would have to give up?

Two seconds.

And it's crazy we had to give up money to give away kawhi

Worst part of the deal. Really showed that PATFO lost the trade there.

[Chinook]

I'm confused about Cunningham's deal here. Shouldn't he be a 9 year vet?

One-year vet-min deals only count as second-year min deals. The player gets paid for their tenure, but the difference is covered by the league as opposed to the team. That's why 1-and-1 deals for players like Manu are kind of stupid unless that player retires, because they just cost the team money for no reason.

[palangi]

Two seconds.



Worst part of the deal. Really showed that PATFO lost the trade there.

What do you think about Devin Robinson? He had a good summer league with the wizards. He is a 6'8" guy with good length and athleticism. Had a good shot too. He is behind Porter, oubre, and now Jeff green

https://youtu.be/WvWmhCdkQc8

[jyra]

One-year vet-min deals only count as second-year min deals. The player gets paid for their tenure, but the difference is covered by the league as opposed to the team. That's why 1-and-1 deals for players like Manu are kind of stupid unless that player retires, because they just cost the team money for no reason.

I had no idea that this was a thing.

[Chinook]

What do you think about Devin Robinson? He had a good summer league with the wizards. He is a 6'8" guy with good length and athleticism. Had a good shot too. He is behind Porter, oubre, and now Jeff green

https://youtu.be/WvWmhCdkQc8

I think if he's any good, Washington would be more inclined to move Oubre, since Kelly has to get paid next year. I don't see many teams trading new draftees for pure compensation at this point.

I did like him in his game against SA though, to answer your direct question.

[John B]

Why is DJ not considered as an SF? Already he is the best perimeter stopper in the team, long and athletic. I think if he develops a consistent 3, he’ll be a great 3&D. Also because I think White is a better facilitator and can shoot over PNR. Just imo, White/DeRozan/Murray/Gay/LMA.

[**BUSTA**]

They don't have to waive Paul. They just have to be willing to eat his deal if he doesn't make the roster. I really wish BP were even two inches taller. But failing that, he's probably a top-three perimeter defender on the team right now

What about Hilliard. I keep seeing a lot of discussion about what the Spurs are going to do with Paul and nothing about how that may be connected with Hilliard.
The Spurs did not rescind Hilliards QO and I don't think he will get an offer the Spurs would not be able to match. Hilliard has until October to accept the QO.
Unless I am missing something , I think the Spurs would prefer Hilliard.

[Chinook]

What about Hilliard. I keep seeing a lot of discussion about what the Spurs are going to do with Paul and nothing about how that may be connected with Hilliard.
The Spurs did not rescind Hilliards QO and I don't think he will get an offer the Spurs would not be able to match. Hilliard has until October to accept the QO.
Unless I am missing something , I think the Spurs would prefer Hilliard.

Why would they prefer Hillard? My guess is that that dude has received no offers, and SA only wants him as a two-way. Now, it's possible they'll want him as a two-way over Paul as a full-roster guy. But I'd rather not bring Hilliard up any higher on the roster yet.

[Chinook]

Why is DJ not considered as an SF? Already he is the best perimeter stopper in the team, long and athletic. I think if he develops a consistent 3, he’ll be a great 3&D. Also because I think White is a better facilitator and can shoot over PNR. Just imo, White/DeRozan/Murray/Gay/LMA.

Murray has two-guard size. He's not a small-forward. He's also skinny as well and is much worse at man-to-man D than most folks here seem to understand. Maybe he can be the team's Danny Green in terms of defensive responsibilities, but he can't be their Kawhi Leonard.

[**BUSTA**]

Why would they prefer Hillard? My guess is that that dude has received no offers, and SA only wants him as a two-way. Now, it's possible they'll want him as a two-way over Paul as a full-roster guy. But I'd rather not bring Hilliard up any higher on the roster yet.

So, why wasn't the QO rescinded.

[Chinook]

So, why wasn't the QO rescinded.

Why would it be?

[**BUSTA**]

Why would it be?

Couldn't he just accept the QO and be on the roster.

[Chinook]

Couldn't he just accept the QO and be on the roster.

Probably not. I don't think two-way QOs work the same way.