What if Kawhi fails his physical?

[Dex]

Its in a couple days i heard

According to this, they are supposed to be conducted today: https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-na..._medium=social

[DMC]

I don't care if he fails or not, I hope the Spurs are done with himPERIOD

[spursistan]

Philly and Lakers not engaging the Spurs seriously on a supposed Top 3 player is a red flag about his health. No other explanation IMO.

You just can't cheap out on players of this caliber..Yet it happened here.

[Chinook]

Lol fake controversy? I replied to you because you're wrong and you simply decided to act like a instead of talking about the issue at hand. You started crying and making it personal so maybe you need a break. Stick to the topics at hand or don't cry. It's not that hard

No, a Kawhi who can't pass a physical at this point is not better than DeRozan. That's the fundamental point

The Spurs don't think Kawhi is too broken to play. Stop peddling bull . Your "fundamental point" is ty just like your whole posting strategy.

[baseline bum]

Philly and Lakers not engaging the Spurs seriously on a supposed Top 3 player is a red flag about his health. No other explanation IMO.

You just can't cheap out on players of this caliber..Yet it happened here.

I guess LA just wants to see him in action for a year and get him at a discount via a free agent contract vs a Full Bird contract. The Lakers are the big winners of this Spurs/Raptors trade.

[Chinook]

If Nephew fails the physical and all the Raptors want back is that protected pick, the Spurs would be ecstatic and agree to that in a second. It takes a lot to fail a physical after a trade. They'd have to find something much worse than has been discovered so far. Tendinitis/tendinosis/tendinopathy/ornithoscelidaphobia alone would very likely be overlooked.

But then that's a different thread. If Kawhi has something that extreme wrong with and SA missed it, shame on them. At that point, it's not about value any more and more about questioning everything about the organization.

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs don't think Kawhi is too broken to play. Stop peddling bull . Your "fundamental point" is ty just like your whole posting strategy.

I never said they thought that. I said thats what would be the case if he failed the physical. You know, the topic of the thread? Didn't you say something in your last post bout knowing how to read?

"Posting strategy"? LOL! Do you spend hours trying to craft a posting strategy? Sounds like fun! No one is making you respond to my posts, BTW. If my non existant posting strategy bothers you, you can ignore my posts.

[MannyIsGod]

I guess LA just wants to see him in action for a year and get him at a discount via a free agent contract vs a Full Bird contract. The Lakers are the big winners of this Spurs/Raptors trade.

We'll see. I think there's a reasonably decent chance he stays in Toronto.

[MannyIsGod]

But then that's a different thread. If Kawhi has something that extreme wrong with and SA missed it, shame on them. At that point, it's not about value any more and more about questioning everything about the organization.

You're right. We should talk about what Kawhi failing a physical means in a thread that isn't about Kawhi failing a physical.

Grade A point. I admire this posting strategy.

[Chinook]

I never said they thought that. I said thats what would be the case if he failed the physical. You know, the topic of the thread? Didn't you say something in your last post bout knowing how to read?

"Posting strategy"? LOL! Do you spend hours trying to craft a posting strategy? Sounds like fun! No one is making you respond to my posts, BTW. If my non existant posting strategy bothers you, you can ignore my posts.

Players can fail physicals for more reasons than that. The Ravens just failed a physical for a guy this off-season to get out of a signing. Detroit did the same thing with Motejunas a couple of years ago. Toronto may fail the physical just to get more compensation, just like Cleveland did with Thomas. Positing scenarios where Leonard is unsuspectingly critically injured engenders concerns far beyond trade compensation. We're talking Pop retiring in disgrace and RCs name being mud.

[Chinook]

You're right. We should talk about what Kawhi failing a physical means in a thread that isn't about Kawhi failing a physical.

Grade A point. I admire this posting strategy.

May as well talk about Kawhi failing a physical because they find out he's an alien. According to your shallow thinking, that's also on topic.

[apalisoc_9]

Chinook just stop being tp condencinding breh.

Wannabe guys are worse than trolls.

[baseline bum]

We'll see. I think there's a reasonably decent chance he stays in Toronto.

I find it hard to see myself. As bad as the San Antonio market is for his shoe deal, I can't imagine playing in Canada will be an improvement. Toronto is an amazing city and Kawhi has a quality team around him, but Uncle Dennis must be pissed.

[spursistan]

I guess LA just wants to see him in action for a year and get him at a discount via a free agent contract vs a Full Bird contract. The Lakers are the big winners of this Spurs/Raptors trade.

Which still cons utes a health red flag that went into their calculation..

PATFO better hope their gamble on him turning into damaged goods long term is the right call because, otherwise, they got bent over in this trade

A healthy Leonard + WCF appearance would have been a better place to be at than they figure to be arriving with this current roster in 2019..

[MannyIsGod]

May as well talk about Kawhi failing a physical because they find out he's an alien. According to your shallow thinking, that's also on topic.

Sorry, I'll try to get on level with your deep alien thinking. 10/10 Deep thinking, TBH.

[MannyIsGod]

I find it hard to see myself. As bad as the San Antonio market is for his shoe deal, I can't imagine playing in Canada will be an improvement. Toronto is an amazing city and Kawhi has a quality team around him, but Uncle Dennis must be pissed.

I think Toronto is something like top 4 or 5 market for the entire NBA. But I don't think his shoe deal has anything to do with his market size. Westbrook has done amazing in a small market. Westbrook has personality though. Kawhi doesn't.

Sooner or later they'll have to figure out that its not about anything else other than Kawhi's lack of personality as to why he isn't a bigger star. Or maybe they don't. Uncle and Company seem pretty ing stupid so maybe they'll never figure it out.

[baseline bum]

I think Toronto is something like top 4 or 5 market for the entire NBA. But I don't think his shoe deal has anything to do with his market size. Westbrook has done amazing in a small market. Westbrook has personality though. Kawhi doesn't.

Sooner or later they'll have to figure out that its not about anything else other than Kawhi's lack of personality as to why he isn't a bigger star. Or maybe they don't. Uncle and Company seem pretty ing stupid so maybe they'll never figure it out.

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[SpurOutofTownFan]

I don't believe there's actually anything wrong with him health-wise. His camp needed him to play injured well after he was healthy to get out of San Antonio. They don't need a reason to do that anymore. Mark my words.

[ducks]

Can Leonard get a no trade clause ?

[BillMc]

Do they give IQ tests in physicals?

[james evans]

I can't wait until Derozan leaves. The meltdown pt 2 is gonna be another classic haha. CSM

[Chinook]

Can Leonard get a no trade clause ?

Not unless he re-ups with SA. You need eight years in the league and four with whichever team you want to give you the clause.

[ducks]

Not unless he re-ups with SA. You need eight years in the league and four with whichever team you want to give you the clause.

Thanks

[JPB]

Some people talk about it like it was a college or driver license exam...

Every team determines their own protocol and standards and as stated they can even skip it depending on motivations.

[Chinook]

Some people talk about it like it was a college or driver license exam...

Every team determines their own protocol and standards and as stated they can even skip it depending on motivations.

Exactly, which is why the idea that Leonard HAS to be hurt beyond repair for him to fail it was unfounded. Maybe this thread was about Kawhi's knee being ruined and SA being forced to take whatever discounted price was necessary to get him. Maybe MannyisGod had a point there. But I don't think that's reasonable to speculate about. If PATFO didn't know Kawhi was injured enough to warrant him failing a physical almost a full year after they diagnosed him as essentially fine, then that's a huge black mark on the organization. As I said, the implications of that would be franchise-destroying and not really worth ignoring for a discussion of a first-round pick.

Rather, this premise seemed to be about the Raptors finding something relatively minor and decided the fail the physical because of it. As I said, this is a tactic teams use from time to time to control transactions. Because then, the Raptors can try to hold PATFO hostage and threaten to back away from the trade if they don't get a better deal. In that case, you tell them to off. Even if they find what I suspect to be the truth (that Leonard's knee will be an issue for the rest of his career), you don't discount on what's already a one-percent package, because Leonard's value already reflected the assumption that he IS injured. Kawhi already had more value to SA than the package they got back. Making that difference greater isn't really an option for me at this point.

SA had leverage over Toronto as soon as the trade was leaked. The Raptors have already irreparably damaged their relationship with DeRozan. The Spurs on the other hand likely improved their relationship with Leonard. If this trade were to fall apart, both Kawhi and PATFO could decide it's best for him to come into camp and show he's healthy. That would kill the trade rumors and let the sides have a chance to heal. Then they could hold onto Leonard until 12/15 and try everything again, if a trade were even necessary. Of course, both sides could and probably do have too much bad blood between them to ever really make up. But it would be nothing compared to the mess Ujuri would have on his hands after lying to DeRozan AND still have to hold onto him. They'd probably have to Odom him to another team anyway for a much worse player and from an even weaker position. Would absolutely sink that franchise.