Thoughts on Spurs Trading Danny Green For DeMar DeRozan and Jakob Poeltl

[MoSpur02]

First pic of Kiwi in Toronto and he looks like he's still being held hostage

He looks like he hasn't slept in two weeks and has been smoking Virginia Slim's and drinking Henney

[TVI]

healthy kawhi >>> demar

Healthy Kawhi who is bent on not playing for the Spurs ever again <<<<<<<<<<<<< demar

Simple as that.

[spurs10]

He looks like he hasn't slept in two weeks and has been smoking Virginia Slim's and drinking Henney

Maybe Benson & Hedges menthol longs, the kind that turns your skin that sickly green color eventually.

[r0drig0lac]

perfect

[ElNono]

Nice to see timvp around, but have to sincerely disagree about Ginobili coming back for another season.

The Spurs have two young guards (White & Walker) that need time on the court to develop and improve. Marco was already brought back and will eat into that time. Ginobili sticking around would insure that neither sees significant court time (two 1st round picks in the G League?) or gains a prominent role.

Manu is 40 or 41 which is well, well past the age for an effective, rotational guard in the NBA. And I think White has the skillset to at least best what old ass/washed Manu can produce on a nightly basis (+ much fresher legs and more athleticism). He can be paired with any of Mills, Belinelli or Murray and likely be effective.

Time to think ahead and let the old dogs die/sleep.

Lastly, they should keep a roster spot open for a possible trade of either Mills or Gasol for multiple players or for a "diamond in the rough" signing of a SF. I don't think a group of Gay, DeRozan, Cunningham and Belinelli gets it done in today's NBA.

Look, whether Manu comes back or not, doesn't matter, this team isn't rebuilding. Young kids will play some spare minutes, but the bulk is going to go with the vets/guys with 1+ season on the team, tbh...

Just wanna make sure you set your expectations accordingly...

[playblair]

Great, another emo .

hes a crip hes not emo

[RD2191]

hes a crip hes not emo

Crips can be emo tbh

[playblair]

Crips can be emo tbh

derozan is going to have innocent mexican spurs fans throwing gang sings

[Mikeanaro]

Not bad, also Cancerwhi lost 80 million by sitting on bench a whole year and then creating a drama.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I kind of am rooting for TOR because I think PHI are stupid cowards for not stepping up. So now I want TOR to knock them off so they can be ridiculed for blowing their chances. But I’m petty. Tom Petty.

I kinda wondered if philly not stepping up and being so close with kawhi’s medical record was a red flag but maybe not

[spursistan]

I kinda wondered if philly not stepping up and being so close with kawhi’s medical record was a red flag but maybe not

Me and DPG21920 have been hammering this point home..Unless Philly medical team know something we don't or only suspect (the damaged goods theory), they stand out as one of the biggest losers of this summer free agency (No, Lebron, PG13 or Kawhi when they just got rolled by Boston missing its two best players)..I mean it i not like their timeline with Embiid/Simmons will be decade-long-- both of whom have career-curtailing injury issues that could pop up at any time..

[BatManu20]

Kawhi still wearing his silver & black signature Jordan's

[J_Paco]

Look, whether Manu comes back or not, doesn't matter, this team isn't rebuilding. Young kids will play some spare minutes, but the bulk is going to go with the vets/guys with 1+ season on the team, tbh...

Just wanna make sure you set your expectations accordingly...

I know where my expectations are at (40 - 50 wins & possible top 4 seed) and I think White will see time. But if Manu is around (a long with Marco) to eat up his potential minutes.

[objective]

Manu might be the best option at small forward to back up DeRozan

It's sad but I'd trust Manu to guard SFs a lot more than Marco and Forbes, and Manu will be easier to watch in his 15-18 minutes

[Ice009]

Nope. The NBA came out last year and said being traded to another team first means the original team is allowed to re-sign their guy.

Are you sure? I thought that was a loophole that was closed so you can't trade someone, have them bought out and then have them come back to your team in the same season?

[ElNono]

I know where my expectations are at (40 - 50 wins & possible top 4 seed) and I think White will see time. But if Manu is around (a long with Marco) to eat up his potential minutes.

I don't think White will play SG, I think he's very likely to be the third string PG. He would be fighting with Patty and Murray for mins.

With DeRozan in the fold, SG minutes will be extremely limited, IMO. I think even if Manu comes back, most of his and Marco mins might end up at the SF position providing some stretching...

[tbdog]

I wrote this in the Forbes thread but it makes sense here.

It's not that I hate the money or the player (Forbes). It's that we are guard heavy. There are only limited minutes available for Forbes, and that is if Manu retires and DD plays majority SF. If Manu plays on and DD splits minutes at SG, there are no mins for two of White/Manu/Fobes/Beli, because I would assume that Murray and Mills split the point minutes. And that means Walker is buried deeeeeep in the bench. It would take 3 guard injuries for Walker to sniff even garbage time. It only makes sense if Spurs trade Mills for a SF like Chandler.

[Ice009]

I kinda wondered if philly not stepping up and being so close with kawhi’s medical record was a red flag but maybe not

Yeah, that's something I've really wondered. I wonder if the doctor told them his medical opinion on Kawhi. I know he's not supposed to divulge medical information, but maybe he did. If he did break client/patient confidentiality, no one would really be able to find out, would they?

[Chinook]

Are you sure? I thought that was a loophole that was closed so you can't trade someone, have them bought out and then have them come back to your team in the same season?

The CBA a few iterations back closed the loophole of a team trading a guy, that guy getting waived and then immediately joining the original team. However, the new rule is worded in such a way that if a team A trades a guy to B, B trades to C and then C waives the player, then A can sign the player. B is still restricted. Larry Coon believed that this wording would be clarified by the league later on to prevent that indirect loophole.

However, the league actually went the other way on this. From 02/23/17:

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That precedent should hold for all players in this situation. There's room to argue against Danny if he were traded and waived soon, but the basic reacquisition restriction does not apply.

[Gagnrath]

The CBA a few iterations back closed the loophole of a team trading a guy, that guy getting waived and then immediately joining the original team. However, the new rule is worded in such a way that if a team A trades a guy to B, B trades to C and then C waives the player, then A can sign the player. B is still restricted. Larry Coon believed that this wording would be clarified by the league later on to prevent that indirect loophole.

However, the league actually went the other way on this. From 02/23/17:



That precedent should hold for all players in this situation. There's room to argue against Danny if he were traded and waived soon, but the basic reacquisition restriction does not apply.

Honestly it will be interesting to see how that turns out, seems like post Kobe, the warriors gained the Lakers special consideration from the league office on rules clarification and punishment.

[024]

Trade was bad and no question the Spurs are worse off swapping a proven playoff performer, 2x DPOY, 27yo, and most likely future MVP for a proven playoff loser who is 2 years older.

Pop wants to compete and I guess you can't really blame him. There probably were better offers out there. Don't see why the sixers or Celtics wouldn't offer a few picks plus one of their many promising players like brown or saric/fultz. Could have set the spurs up on a different timeline than the warriors and lakers when Leonard joins. Now they are stuck in the same window as the warriors.

[SAGirl]

Manu might be the best option at small forward to back up DeRozan

It's sad but I'd trust Manu to guard SFs a lot more than Marco and Forbes, and Manu will be easier to watch in his 15-18 minutes

Agreed.

[SAGirl]

I wrote this in the Forbes thread but it makes sense here.

It's not that I hate the money or the player (Forbes). It's that we are guard heavy. There are only limited minutes available for Forbes, and that is if Manu retires and DD plays majority SF. If Manu plays on and DD splits minutes at SG, there are no mins for two of White/Manu/Fobes/Beli, because I would assume that Murray and Mills split the point minutes. And that means Walker is buried deeeeeep in the bench. It would take 3 guard injuries for Walker to sniff even garbage time. It only makes sense if Spurs trade Mills for a SF like Chandler.

[Marcus Bryant]

Trade was bad and no question the Spurs are worse off swapping a proven playoff performer, 2x DPOY, 27yo, and most likely future MVP for a proven playoff loser who is 2 years older.

Eh, that's not a given, to say the least. He's unlikely to end up in a system which emphasizes defense like SA. He'll be judged on his offensive production and will be an also-ran.

Pop wants to compete and I guess you can't really blame him. There probably were better offers out there. Don't see why the sixers or Celtics wouldn't offer a few picks plus one of their many promising players like brown or saric/fultz. Could have set the spurs up on a different timeline than the warriors and lakers when Leonard joins. Now they are stuck in the same window as the warriors.

He was on the block six weeks. This was the best offer. That's his standing in the league for a 1 year rental. That should tell you all you need to know about the prognosis for his future.

[DPG21920]

I mean, I am fine with people not liking the offer. I think it’s fair to say it was the best offer for a win-now player available but if your preference was to get picks and younger players then it might not be viewed as the best offer in total.

But SA wanted keep fielding a compe ive team and this was the best offer in that lense.