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We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.
Some context. Kawhi was mad and throwing a ing hissy fit like a whiny and demanded to go to LA and shot his value down.
And Kawhi was gonna leave in a year anyways or take up most of our ing flexibility due to his supermax contract. And that's not even getting into his health concerns and toxic group.
The Spurs got an Allstar back on 3 years but really 2 cause of the player option.
Decent big. Like his hops. Don't really pay attention to him but can we start him? If so, we got a good piece too.
And a first round pick.
What the Spurs were able to do given the cir stances, I think they won the trade. And yes, the Spurs will make DeStar a better player surrounded by an actual system.
Could the Toronto Raptors win this trade too? It all depends on if Kawhi stays and is healthy there.
We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.
They won the trade considering the other offers out there. The only other team who were willing to give up anything were the Clippers and that was before the draft although a package could've been assembled by August, well after the draft picks had been signed and a Harrell S&T could be orchestrated. Celtics were apparently offering Marcus Smart S&T, Morris, and a couple picks. LOL. I don't even want to know what the offers from the Blazers, Nuggets, Wizards, and Suns were. Grunfeld is a horrible GM (should've been fired after Gungate, tbh) but even he probably would've wanted us to take on a horrible contract.
Team may actually be better due to addition through subtraction. Poeltl is a legitimate 20-24 minutes a night rotation player. DDR is a horrible defender but better shot creator than Kawhi. Sort of feel there's no choice but to play with two bigs or give Cunningham heavy minutes due to perimeter defense being gutted with the additional losses of Green and Anderson. I'm predicting 52-56 wins.
I think Kawhi will have a mental breakdown in Toronto. There's too much pressure on him but they could flip him to the Lakers after 12/15 for one of their one year deals and an asset or two.
Maybe we can use the extra pick and our own to dump Mills and bring in someone else.
Both lost.
Dadooosh trying to reinvent himself.
I think I understand Pop and RC's logic now, try to win today with Derozan and Aldridge (and get some fans to watch games in the process) while building up the young core (Murray, White, Walker, Poeltl). That said, it's the best exchange that the Spurs can get since they want a scorer in the trade and not pieces for rebuilding. I think both wins of Kawhi plays and Demar doesnt go emo mode. However, if Kawhi plays like before his injury, Raptors won the trade, with Danny Green there as well as other defensive pieces in OG, that will be a of a defense. (Not mentioned ibaka because i dont know how effective he will be next season). Also, it will depend on the coaches and the defensive system Toronto will use with a new head coach. On the Spurs side, i wan to see how the spacing will be with Derozan and Aldridge since it looks like they both like to position on the left midrange going to the basket but Poeltl will fit right in. Only positive for sure is that Derozan is a capable ball handler and can facilitate more than Kawhi. On the defence side, Murray might take the defensive load then funnel to Aldridge and Poeltl inside
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Was really hoping we could get two starters for kawhi but hopefully poeltl breaks out
I think you have to actually "play" to be a top anything player. Two years ago I'd agree, but even then he was injured a lot even before this injury that kept him out a year.
The Lakers won the trade. If Kawhi sucks after injury then they just don't sign him. If not they pay him a 4 year, $140 million free agent contract next summer vs a 5 year, $190 million Full Bird deal had they traded for him. It's not like he is going to stay in Canada after seeing how ty his shoe deal was in San Antonio.
Simply put this year's team is a much better team than last season, so how can that not be a win. All the 'what if' Kawhi was healthy jabber is meaningless, he didn't play an entire season basically. So trading him for an All-Star that does play and losing his ridiculous amateur manager, Uncle "How to Lose Tens Of Millions Of Dollars In a Hot Minute" Dennis is a great thing. Great trade! Looking forward to October!
Let’s judge the trade after 20 games then after 40 and then after 82
Good point..maybe. Uncle "I Don't Know A Whole Lot Of Nines Are" Dennis sure didn't win it for Nephew.
DDR is a worse playoff performer.
He's never been top 3, or 5. Spurs would've gotten better offers if so.
Slightly short sided. You could say that extra 50 mill wouldve been for him this upcoming year. If he is healthy he is worth that. Specially with Lebron still in his semi prime.
Ouch. Dude shut down Harden pretty easily in 2016 and was killing the Warriors until his ankle injury. Not to mention he helped our team win 60+. Nobody couldve done that except maybe 3 or 4 other players. Then in a series between the best players (Lebron, KD, Harden, Curry) I'm taking Kawhi because of his lock down defense on ALL these guys.
Lakers. Lebron + Kawhi = Championship(s) if/when the Warriors disband next summer.
The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitc Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.
San Antonio won. I think Kawhi is gonna get a season injury in Toronto due to high minutes.
One game. Not James, Durant, Davis, Curry, Westbrook, so he's out of the top 5. Plus with his vaginal injury he's unlikely to break even the top 10 again.
Salient points.
If Kawhi ultimately ends up in LA and wins a championship, it'll be a grand slam for IMPACT. They got their guy - who was under contract - to the situation he wanted. Yes, Kawhi will get a haircut, but you cannot really call a guy who makes $35 million/year and is playing in the situation he wants a loser.
Players look at this stuff and they want an agency that has juice.
If, however, you remove the winner/loser aspect and look at the trade from an impact/objective POV:
Spurs - added DeRozan to a 47 win team at the cost of Danny Green & Tony Parker. Kawhi was a non-factor because he was injured (allegedly). Did the move put the Spurs into the championship discussion? No. Did it keep them in the playoff discussion? Yes - they should be right around where they were last year, fighting for the 6-8 seed. Did the move help them in terms of future prospects? Probably not, since DDR will suck up cap space and if the Raps tank, the picks are crap, but it doesn't hurt, either.
Raps - Dumps DDR's deal, which is a positive for their FO, which clearly didn't like the team despite its success. If they move Kawhi before the season or before the deadline, they will likely add a couple of assets (picks and/or prospects) to help the rebuild. They also put themselves in excellent position for free agency.
Downside for both teams is that they'll likely gain reputations as being anti-player organizations.
This.
Kawhi was maybe top 3 in 2017. Never before that and never again. His career is over. He’ll never be back on that level. He missed a year and is physically and mentally weak. Spurs won this trade by receiving the best player that was being offered.
It was stupid AF for the Raptors to ship off DD for a 1 year deal on a player who didn't even suit up in the post season or most of last year. If DD was a bad fit there, they could have simply looked for better deals. Now DD has a chip on his shoulder, might be good for the Spurs. Can't be bad though. Dude could come off the bench in limited minutes and still be a better deal basketball wise than Leonard.
Y'all mf'ers worshiped KL too much, overrated the out of him. You tend to do that with guys.
Lebron left the East, the Raptors were set to make the WCF, maybe a legit shot at being in the Finals.
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