Shams: Spurs & Toronto Engaged in Serious Trade Talks Centered Around Kawhi & DeRozan

[Marcus Bryant]

RC didn't have an advantage. Him being taken out to the back and shot was a result of exhaustion at this saga and so many other GM already smelling blood ibn the water and circling him like sharks. Masai dangled a good bait and RC bit the bullet.

Perhaps the only real play that PATFO ha had was one they didn't want to take. They could have dealt Kiwi at a point when his value was at its highest if they had an inkling this thing with Uncle would get this ugly. If this is like a bad marriage where you can see the problems early, perhaps they had warning signs. They tried to make it work to the bitter end though and considering the Kind of player Kawhi is when fully healthy and committed he was worth it maybe. Hindsight is always 20/20... But I bet there were points in the year last where they would have gotten much more. Just not this summer, not after Kawhi had depleted his value so much, not after he made it public he only wanted LA, etc. Not after he sat out an entire year with questions about his quad.

Leonard's group likely asked for a trade before the trade deadline earlier this year. I'm sure the Spurs were caught off guard and declined. After that, the holdout began in earnest. That seems to be the simplest and most straightforward explanation for what went down. The Spurs likely did offer to just declare him out for the season, but then Leonard's camp didn't want that because it would make the injury seem worse than it 'was'. From there the relationship continued to deteriorate.

This was were things were at in January: https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018...purs-wants-out

[coachmac87]

You really don't follow the NBA much these days, do you? Off the top . . .

I've got 21 clearly better: Irving, Jokic, Curry, Durant, Green, Harden, Paul, Oladipo, James, Antetokounmpo, Butler, Towns, Davis, George, Westbrook, Embiid, Lillard, Aldridge, Leonard, Lowry, Wall.

And 11 debatably better: Hayward, Horford, Walker, Love, Millsap, Griffin, Thompson, Conley, Simmons, Gobert, Beal.

Bruh you’re an idiot.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Someone posted the updated Vegas over/under odds yesterday (with the Spurs at 37 or 37.5 wins) but I'm having trouble finding the post or the link. Any help finding the information to put some money down would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[HarlemHeat37]

Someone posted the updated Vegas over/under odds yesterday (with the Spurs at 37 or 37.5 wins) but I'm having trouble finding the post or the link. Any help finding the information to put some money down would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

That wasn't Vegas, that was some man's own projection model..

[DPG21920]

That wasn't Vegas, that was some man's own projection model..

I don’t see any over/under on wins posted anywhere for SA - do you?

[Kindergarten Cop]

That wasn't Vegas, that was some man's own projection model..

Oh ... thanks.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to that, would you?

[timvp]

You really don't follow the NBA much these days, do you?

So there are more than 20 players clearly better than a player who just got voted onto the All-NBA second team and finished in the top ten of the MVP race? Sounds like you have a problem with a lot more people besides me. That's almost as good of a take as saying Dante Cunningham is going to start at SF. Never change, man

[Joseph Kony]

You really don't follow the NBA much these days, do you? Off the top . . .

I've got 21 clearly better: Irving, Jokic, Curry, Durant, Green, Harden, Paul, Oladipo, James, Antetokounmpo, Butler, Towns, Davis, George, Westbrook, Embiid, Lillard, Aldridge, Leonard, Lowry, Wall.

And 11 debatably better: Hayward, Horford, Walker, Love, Millsap, Griffin, Thompson, Conley, Simmons, Gobert, Beal.

Do you actually watch basketball or do you just look at names and assume they're better? half of these players couldnt even sniff Demar's jock, get real son. ing Milsap? Griffin?? Lillard? c'mon son

[TD 21]

So there are more than 20 players clearly better than a player who just got voted onto the All-NBA second team and finished in the top ten of the MVP race? Sounds like you have a problem with a lot more people besides me. That's almost as good of a take as saying Dante Cunningham is going to start at SF. Never change, man

Cir stances led to that. The Raptors were the 2nd best regular season team in the league, thanks mostly to their league best bench and Lowry, but DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player) and is a nice guy, so he probably got a lot of votes from archaic types. Even with injury hurting Curry's and Paul's candidacy, he came back down to earth in the 2nd half and shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.

There's good reason to believe Cunningham is going to start at SF. To be clear, I'm not advocating it though.

As usual, despite much disagreement, I was right last season when I said Gasol would predominately start, despite being 1 of 2 rotation bigs on the roster and 3 period.

Do you actually watch basketball or do you just look at names and assume they're better? half of these players couldnt even sniff Demar's jock, get real son. ing Milsap? Griffin?? Lillard? c'mon son

I most likely watch a lot more than you do and definitely know a lot more than you do, based on your ignorant comment.

At thinking DeRozan is as good as Lillard.

Griffin, we'll see. He can't stay healthy for more than 5 minutes, so it's difficult to definitively say where he's at right now. DeRozan was better last season though.

Millsap, it's about context. Of course DeRozan is a better fit for the Spurs situation, but in general the former is a headier, better all around player.

[coachmac87]

So there are more than 20 players clearly better than a player who just got voted onto the All-NBA second team and finished in the top ten of the MVP race? Sounds like you have a problem with a lot more people besides me. That's almost as good of a take as saying Dante Cunningham is going to start at SF. Never change, man

Lmao “Cunningham starting”

[timvp]

Cir stances led to that. [...] DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player)

Who was their best player, then? Lowry?

shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.

Sounds like a lot of people don't follow the NBA. Either that, or a player on the second team All-NBA and top ten in MVP voting should indeed enter the conversation of best players somewhere around 12-15.

So, did DeRozan not deserve his All-NBA team spot the previous year either?

There's good reason to believe Cunningham is going to start at SF.

Wow. That's probably the worst take of the entire offseason so far

As usual, despite much disagreement, I was right last season when I said Gasol would predominately start

Don't remember disagreeing with you. Link?

Millsap, it's about context. Of course DeRozan is a better fit for the Spurs situation, but in general the former is a headier, better all around player.

Paul Millsap better than DeMar DeRozan. Scratch what I said about you thinking Cunningham is going to start at SF. This is the new leader in the clubhouse.

[BillMc]

So Danny sent than nice message to all the fans and his teammates about enjoying his time here in SA.

Did Kawhi do anything similar? Isn't one of Impact Sports's focuses "etiquette?"

[T Park]

DeMar DeRozan has been so underrated and so overrated since this trade.

It’s ok to think he won’t be an all star, but think DeRozan solves quite a few problems as well.

[coachmac87]

Cir stances led to that. The Raptors were the 2nd best regular season team in the league, thanks mostly to their league best bench and Lowry, but DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player) and is a nice guy, so he probably got a lot of votes from archaic types. Even with injury hurting Curry's and Paul's candidacy, he came back down to earth in the 2nd half and shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.

There's good reason to believe Cunningham is going to start at SF. To be clear, I'm not advocating it though.

As usual, despite much disagreement, I was right last season when I said Gasol would predominately start, despite being 1 of 2 rotation bigs on the roster and 3 period.



I most likely watch a lot more than you do and definitely know a lot more than you do, based on your ignorant comment.

At thinking DeRozan is as good as Lillard.

Griffin, we'll see. He can't stay healthy for more than 5 minutes, so it's difficult to definitively say where he's at right now. DeRozan was better last season though.

Millsap, it's about context. Of course DeRozan is a better fit for the Spurs situation, but in general the former is a headier, better all around player.

The fact you think Lowry> DeRozan is all you need to know regarding your “player evaluation”. Lowry has been out of shape and choked horribly last 2years in PO...


Last 3 Seasons

24.6ppg 4.4 asst 4.5 reb 1 stl

45% fg. 30% 3pt (flaw) 84% FT (8att per)

I can’t find or think of other SG’s who’s been as consistent. He’s arguably top 3-5 player at his position (SG)

Sincerely,

Vanilla PATFO Fluffer

[TD 21]

Who was their best player, then? Lowry?

Sounds like a lot of people don't follow the NBA. Either that, or a player on the second team All-NBA and top ten in MVP voting should indeed enter the conversation of best players somewhere around 12-15.

So, did DeRozan not deserve his All-NBA team spot the previous year either?

Wow. That's probably the worst take of the entire offseason so far

Don't remember disagreeing with you. Link?

Paul Millsap better than DeMar DeRozan. Scratch what I said about you thinking Cunningham is going to start at SF. This is the new leader in the clubhouse.

Lowry's only a better 3-point shooter, play maker, rebounder and defender and rates as superior in virtually every catch all advanced stat. But who needs all that when you got volume scoring. What is this, 1998?

Either not closely enough or they're archaic/swayed by politics.

No, he didn't.

Cunningham has spent 60, 74 and 70% respectively at SF, in 3 of the past 4 seasons, making 158 starts in that time. Pop was starting 3 and D wings before it became in vogue and though not a legit starter or wing, he's the closest this team has to that. I'd say that's pretty sound logic.

I said DeRozan-Millsap is debatable and about context. Still don't have basic reading comprehension, I see.

[Joseph Kony]

Cir stances led to that. The Raptors were the 2nd best regular season team in the league, thanks mostly to their league best bench and Lowry, but DeRozan was their leading scorer (often wrongly referred to as their best player) and is a nice guy, so he probably got a lot of votes from archaic types. Even with injury hurting Curry's and Paul's candidacy, he came back down to earth in the 2nd half and shouldn't have made the All-NBA team period.

There's good reason to believe Cunningham is going to start at SF. To be clear, I'm not advocating it though.

As usual, despite much disagreement, I was right last season when I said Gasol would predominately start, despite being 1 of 2 rotation bigs on the roster and 3 period.



I most likely watch a lot more than you do and definitely know a lot more than you do, based on your ignorant comment.

At thinking DeRozan is as good as Lillard.

Griffin, we'll see. He can't stay healthy for more than 5 minutes, so it's difficult to definitively say where he's at right now. DeRozan was better last season though.

Millsap, it's about context. Of course DeRozan is a better fit for the Spurs situation, but in general the former is a headier, better all around player.

getting asshurt

i obviously know more than you because I think choker Lillard is better than Derozan

gtfo

[Joseph Kony]

and you think Cunningham was gonna start at SF? yeah you sure know a lot about basketball my man

[MoSpur02]

I think DeRozan is actually going to be better because of him being able to play with Aldridge. He won't be relied on as much as he was in Toronto.

[Kawhitstorm]

I ain't from SA, bro. And why are you semen shielding? Kawhi and "his camp" handled this situation like children. I don't mind Kawhi leaving at all, but he should've done it honorably, i.e. play out your contract with little drama and then bolt to wherever you want. No one here would've had a problem.

They threw in his face, he threw it right back at them.....the team that cried wolf

[Kawhitstorm]

Still in the business of defending the most cancerous player of the league ?
Have you registered yet at raptorstalk.com tbh ?

I'm happy to announce that I'm now the new Raptors brand ambassador

[LittleCriminal]

[BatManu20]

Done deal.

[Ron Swanson]

The plane headed west for two weeks and eventually landed in Toronto.

[Wu36]

At least he’s smiling, tho playing barefoot

[SpursDynasty85]

They threw in his face, he threw it right back at them.....the team that cried wolf

An organization that pays you 19 million and trying to get a word out of you while your uncle is demanding ridiculous things is throwing "#$^&?" You would be a terrible employee or owner of a sports franchise. I guess the world revolves around players. That makes perfect sense.